A couple of years ago, I could be counted as one of the most vocal critics of Brian Cashman after he refused to give up a package including Phil Hughes for Johan Santana and then refused to even consider a trade for Dan Haren because reportedly they were asking for Ian Kennedy. My main point: Cashman was far too much "in love" with his own prospects, believing that his personally rebuilt farm system was nearly untouchable.
Fast forward to this off season.
I can't even remotely make that kind of a statement with a straight face anymore. Cashman has shown a wonderful ability to target his top prospects (Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Jesus Montero, etc.) and keep them in the organization, and then make other top prospects available for the right player.
Austin Jackson has big upside and could eventually turn around and be a major player. However, Cashman wisely determined that Jackson's upside probably wasn't much higher than what Curtis Granderson is right now, so he traded the kid. Same thing with Ian Kennedy. There is a wonderful chance Kennedy, with pinpoint control and a nasty changeup, develops into an above average pitcher, but what were the chances of him doing that in the AL East as a Yankee? Cashman made the decision that it was highly unlikely. So, out the door he went.
Now, Cashman has traded for Javier Vazquez and international super spy, Boone Logan (officially the greatest name in sports right now). To get the former Braves, the Yanks gave up Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn, and some double A pitcher who, evidently, has some talent (let's face it, if Atlanta wanted this kid, he must be pretty good since they don't usually swing and miss on many pitching prospects).
It is yet another example of Cashman playing the right chips with the right cards. Reportedly, when the Tigers and Yankees were discussing Granderson, Mike Dunn's name kept coming up. Cashman refused to give up the hard-throwing lefty and the Tigers finally relented, accepting Phil Coke instead. That made everyone assume that Dunn had reached a level of top-tier, almost untouchable status. I mean, if you're not going to trade Dunn for an All Star like Granderson, who, exactly, would you trade him for?
Well, Cashman answered that, and picked up a starter along the way.
Trust me, my first reaction to hearing that Javier Vazquez was coming back was to nearly black out when disturbing memories of game 7, 2004 ALCS, came streaming into my consciouness, but the truth is Vazquez is a pretty darn good starter and has been the majority of his career. He is usually good for 200 innings, high strike out totals, and double-digit wins. You just can't argue with that type of consistent production, especially considering the Yankees didn't give up one top-echelon player.
I think there were some questionable decisions this off season, like replacing Hideki Matsui with Nick Johnson, but, for the most part, Cashman has hit a home run. And, when you consider that the Yankees still have Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Jesus Montero, and pretty much all of their top lower-level prospects, along with a few mid-level guys who might be able to help the team even next year, his decisions have been even more impressive.
Tuesday, December 22
Thursday, December 17
Quick thoughts on the Yankee moves
Just a few quick thoughts on the Yankee off season so far.
*I LOVE the Curtis Granderson deal at every level. One, Granderson is a top player, he really is. He is a good defensive center fielder, better than any they have on the team now, he has power, he has speed, and he has a high baseball IQ. Yes, he strikes out a lot. Yes, he doesn't hit lefties extremely well. But, he does A LOT more to make up for the flaws. Plus, if he is hitting 35 or 40 homers, you can deal with the strikeouts.
Second, you didn't give up anything dramatic to get him. Look, Austin Jackson might end up being a really, really nice player. But, is he ever gonna be significantly better than an All Star like Granderson? Probably not. Ian Kennedy might end up being a good pitcher, but not for the Yankees and not in the AL East. Phil Coke, I always liked. But, as much as I enjoyed Phil, you can always replace a lefty reliever. There isn't a world in the universe in which Phil Coke will hold up a trade for Curtis Granderson.
Finally, this fits right in with what the Yankees have been doing the last year and a half. Instead of paying guys for what they have done in the past, the Yankees are now acquiring guys in their prime. Teixeira, Sabathia, Granderson, even Swisher are all under 30, all ready to come into the best years of their career, essentially meaning that, by the time their contracts are up, the Yankees will have gotten their best years. That's pretty darn good.
Where would I hit him? Honestly, I have no idea. It looks like the Yankees will have themselves a new #2 hitter (we'll talk about that in a second), so Granderson's ultimate destination will not be up in the lineup. It appears that 1-4 is set. So, is Granderson a 5, 6, or 7? Ideally, Cano would be at the point to step into that #5 hole. He hits for power, average, and he has a little speed. I doubt he will be able to handle the upgrade to a run-producing situation, but let's dream for a minute. Then, I would go Posada, then Granderson, then Swisher, then Melky.
Either way, though, he will add another dimension to this team, and you gotta love it.
*Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui are evidently out, Nick Johnson is in. Umm........what?
don't get this at all. Look, the Yankee excuse for essentially severing all ties with Matsui and treating him like a man trying to bring a small pox virus into Yankee Stadium was that the team wanted to get younger, more athletic, and more flexible at the DH spot. In other words, they wanted a guy who could do a little more than DH. That's why it was assumed the Yankees preferred Damon. No, he wasn't even a decent fielder anymore, but you could run him out there when needed, DH when needed, and give a day off when needed. He wasn't going to "clog up" any one position.
I even get the Yankees moving on from Damon at this point. If he is really looking for 4 years, $13 mill a year, then you say "night night" to positively Damonic and look somewhere else. You just KNOW that Damon is gonna be a regular on the DL in the next two or three years, so don't blame the Yankees for being smart and saying no. Rather let go now than hang on too long.
But, what I don't get is how in the world the Yankees can justify letting Matsui go and bringing in Johnson. Yes, Johnson is younger, but that is in years only. Johnson's body is might be more broken down than Yogi Berra's at this point. Is there an injury he doesn't have? If you looked at Johnson's injury report and didn't know what sport he played, chances are you would choose hockey, with no pads. But, what about athletic? Well, let's be honest, the Yankees are on the verge of signing the only guy who is probably less athletic than Matsui. In fact, I doubt there was ever a time in Nick Johnson's life where his name and "athletic" ever shared in the same sentence.
So it must be the versatility of the player and the flexibility it provides. Nope, wrong again. Johnson's only position on the field is first base. Guess what, Mark Teixeira plays first and he is pretty good. Not only is he pretty good, he never gets hurt. So, Johnson becomes the same "clogger" for the DH spot that Matsui was feared to be.
Again, someone has to explain the upgrade. Matsui was one of the clutch players on the team. Johnson's only flirtation in big games ended not so good. Matsui hit 28 homers last year. Johnson hit 8 and has only hit 20 or more homers once in his career.
Again, I ask, what is the benefit to going with Nick Johnson over Hideki Matsui?
*I LOVE the Curtis Granderson deal at every level. One, Granderson is a top player, he really is. He is a good defensive center fielder, better than any they have on the team now, he has power, he has speed, and he has a high baseball IQ. Yes, he strikes out a lot. Yes, he doesn't hit lefties extremely well. But, he does A LOT more to make up for the flaws. Plus, if he is hitting 35 or 40 homers, you can deal with the strikeouts.
Second, you didn't give up anything dramatic to get him. Look, Austin Jackson might end up being a really, really nice player. But, is he ever gonna be significantly better than an All Star like Granderson? Probably not. Ian Kennedy might end up being a good pitcher, but not for the Yankees and not in the AL East. Phil Coke, I always liked. But, as much as I enjoyed Phil, you can always replace a lefty reliever. There isn't a world in the universe in which Phil Coke will hold up a trade for Curtis Granderson.
Finally, this fits right in with what the Yankees have been doing the last year and a half. Instead of paying guys for what they have done in the past, the Yankees are now acquiring guys in their prime. Teixeira, Sabathia, Granderson, even Swisher are all under 30, all ready to come into the best years of their career, essentially meaning that, by the time their contracts are up, the Yankees will have gotten their best years. That's pretty darn good.
Where would I hit him? Honestly, I have no idea. It looks like the Yankees will have themselves a new #2 hitter (we'll talk about that in a second), so Granderson's ultimate destination will not be up in the lineup. It appears that 1-4 is set. So, is Granderson a 5, 6, or 7? Ideally, Cano would be at the point to step into that #5 hole. He hits for power, average, and he has a little speed. I doubt he will be able to handle the upgrade to a run-producing situation, but let's dream for a minute. Then, I would go Posada, then Granderson, then Swisher, then Melky.
Either way, though, he will add another dimension to this team, and you gotta love it.
*Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui are evidently out, Nick Johnson is in. Umm........what?
don't get this at all. Look, the Yankee excuse for essentially severing all ties with Matsui and treating him like a man trying to bring a small pox virus into Yankee Stadium was that the team wanted to get younger, more athletic, and more flexible at the DH spot. In other words, they wanted a guy who could do a little more than DH. That's why it was assumed the Yankees preferred Damon. No, he wasn't even a decent fielder anymore, but you could run him out there when needed, DH when needed, and give a day off when needed. He wasn't going to "clog up" any one position.
I even get the Yankees moving on from Damon at this point. If he is really looking for 4 years, $13 mill a year, then you say "night night" to positively Damonic and look somewhere else. You just KNOW that Damon is gonna be a regular on the DL in the next two or three years, so don't blame the Yankees for being smart and saying no. Rather let go now than hang on too long.
But, what I don't get is how in the world the Yankees can justify letting Matsui go and bringing in Johnson. Yes, Johnson is younger, but that is in years only. Johnson's body is might be more broken down than Yogi Berra's at this point. Is there an injury he doesn't have? If you looked at Johnson's injury report and didn't know what sport he played, chances are you would choose hockey, with no pads. But, what about athletic? Well, let's be honest, the Yankees are on the verge of signing the only guy who is probably less athletic than Matsui. In fact, I doubt there was ever a time in Nick Johnson's life where his name and "athletic" ever shared in the same sentence.
So it must be the versatility of the player and the flexibility it provides. Nope, wrong again. Johnson's only position on the field is first base. Guess what, Mark Teixeira plays first and he is pretty good. Not only is he pretty good, he never gets hurt. So, Johnson becomes the same "clogger" for the DH spot that Matsui was feared to be.
Again, someone has to explain the upgrade. Matsui was one of the clutch players on the team. Johnson's only flirtation in big games ended not so good. Matsui hit 28 homers last year. Johnson hit 8 and has only hit 20 or more homers once in his career.
Again, I ask, what is the benefit to going with Nick Johnson over Hideki Matsui?
Sunday, November 8
So.....now what?
For some reason, blogspot wasn't posting my World Series waxings. Ashame. I had some insights that would have made Michael Kay raise an eyebrow or two (and none of them involved my favorite late night snack or with whom I would like to be trapped in a foxhole).
So, to quickly summarize the Keats-esque poetry I contributed to the Yankees 27th world championship run that didn't get posted.............they played really well.
The thing I appreciate most about this current group is how much they all seemed to embrace the atmosphere that comes with playing in the Bronx. Yes, the fans are crazy and the media is so far over the top they make Enquirer reporters look like Walter Cronkite disciples. Games in May and June are treated like October baseball and every win and loss, every winning streak and losing streak, every slump or hot stretch is overanalyzed.
But, that's the fun of it.
So many of the guys who have come through New York in the past four or five years have treated being a Yankee like being some sort of political dissident, put on trial each night for crimes they didn't committ. Randy Johnson, who is a no-doubt first ballot hall of famer and one of the most dominating pitchers in the history of the sport, seemed to memorize the phrase "kept my team in the game," as if the Yankees had brought he and his resume in simply to give a third-starter quality outing. Gary Sheffield, who has created a fake persona of mental and physical toughness, folded when New York criticism came his way, doing nothing but embarrass himself in the playoffs two straight years, and then lashed out at everyone from Joe Torre (whom he called a racist) to Derek Jeter (whose mixed ethnicity was questioned by the ever classy Sheff).
Even bit players, like Kyle Farnsworth, reacted to fan interest and media scrutiny with a combination of disdain and dread. It showed that money couldn't purchase success unless that money was spent in the right places.
This year, however, those dollars and cents were finally put in the proper spots. Every single player the Yankees brought in understood the pressures of New York and embraced them. CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett didn't hide behind "quality" starts when they lost a game, they told New York they expected more out of themselves. Mark Teixeira, who was booed in the beginning of the season after getting off to an abysmal start, said that he would have booed, too. Nick Swisher seemed to be a kid in a candy store, thrilled to be out of Chicago and away from Ozzie Guillen and willing to do whatever it took to help the team win. Remember, Swisher had originally thought he was coming to the Yankees as the everyday first baseman, the position he freely admitted was his best overall and the one where he felt most comfortable. Then, the Yanks swooped in and grabbed Tex, turning Swisher not only into an outfielder overnight, but a platoon outfielder at best, as the Yankees had Xavier Nady and Johnny Damon penciled in as their starting corner outfielders.
He didn't say boo. He didn't complain. He didn't run off to some tabloid columnist looking for a story and scream about how Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi lied to him. He walked into spring training ready to work and, because of injuries and his own play, Swisher not only became the Yankees everyday right fielder, he secured the position for the forseeable future.
While this team wasn't your brother's Yankees - buttoned down and businesslike - it had one very important trait in common with the dynasty teams; the players came to win each and every ball game and they took losing as hard as the fans, never wanting to relinquish their "W" for that day. Yes, there were pies in the face and more laughing and joking on the field, but there was also a complete committment to winning EVERY SINGLE GAME, and that came with the exceptance that New York pressure is something to be used and even nutured rather than discarded or avoided.
This was a fun team to root for, with good guys who happened to be great players. As hard as it might have been in the past to root for Gary Sheffield or even Roger Clemens, it was that easy to root for CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. The new guys showed that it was possible to have fun, show emotion, and have a distinct personality without ever crossing over into the land of the Red Sox or even the Mets, where such actions commonly included showboating (exhibit A would be Jonathan Paplebon's gyrations towards the opposing dugout anytime he ended a game with a strikeout).
The Yankees are the darlings of the city again, and this team will one day be honored along side the other champions, and will take their rightful place in the annuals of pinstripe lore.
So, now what?
Well, I, personally, will turn my attention to the NFL (where my Giants are looking like the Jim Fassel edition lately) and college basketball (with Uconn looking at a very interesting and unpredictable year). I am also going to try my luck at some NBA this year, as I enjoy the Celtics and I am going to be interested to see how the LeBron James watch goes throughout the year (I still don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that the Knicks land Bron Bron. Seriously, you don't think LeBron wasn't watching that Yankee parade? You don't think he saw his buddy, CC Sabathia, riding on that float? And while the Knicks won't do anything this year, they should have a high draft pick, money to spend on a player in addition to LeBron, and two players with outstanding potential in David Lee, who is a double-double every night and is a better big man right now than any LeBron has played with, Shaq included, and Danilo Gallinari, who is just beginning his NBA career and is showing signs of being that long-range assasin needed to win championships).
But, there is no better time than the present to look ahead at some of the moves the offseason might bring for the Yankees. Remember, because the baseball season is now almost 24 months long, pitchers and catchers report in a mere three months. We're lucky the series ended before Thanksgiving.
The strong points:
This team just won the World Series, so most of the points are strong ones. What I especially love about this team right now is that the Yankees are paying guys for what they are going to do, not what they have done. Let me explain: for about seven or eight years it seemed the Yankees traded or signed for guys who had logged their best years for other teams. While the salaries matched the previous performance, the quality of the work was considerably lower. Randy Johnson was paid like the Randy Johnson from 2001, but he pitched like a third starter. Gary Sheffield had one good year with the Yankees and then one lost season, and got paid richly for both. Carl Pavano barely even put the uniform on, yet he walked away, four years later, with $40 million without even logging what would have been one year's worth of starts for the team. Kei Igawa? Dear God, that man is still being paid for what he did in a different league in a different country. The list goes on.
Now, however, the Yankees have some guys who promise to have the best years of their career ahead. CC Sabathia is 29 and promises to perform at an ace-quality level for a very long time. Mark Teixeira put up argueably his best season ever in 2009 and one can see an MVP performance in the future. Even Nick Swisher, only 28 himself, could easily establish himself as a power-hitting corner outfielder and produce some big years as he goes forward.
AJ Burnett is older than that group, but he put together back-to-back 200 inning years for the first time in his career, which either means he and the Yankees were lucky in 2009 or he has figured out how to keep himself healthy. And then you have Robbie Cano, only 26, who was a star this year and seems to get better each season. If he simply produced as he did in 2009, he is one of the best three or four second basemen in the entire league. I think he has more in him.
Couple that with the fact that the left-side of the infield, in Jeter and A-Rod, show no signs of slowing down on their path towards Cooperstown, and this team has a nucleus of players that should be producing big numbers years down the road.
Another strength going forward, in my opinion, will be the bullpen. David Robertson was a diamond in the rough this year, and he showed an amazing ability to get swings and misses even though his fastball isn't topping out at 95 or 96. Damaso Marte was exhibit A for Brian Cashman haters as the example of bad trades and bad signings. No one thought much of him going into the season, and even less was thought when he somehow made the post season roster (I, for one, thought he should have never made the spot). Well, count me as a convert because Marte looked like an untouchable cog in that pen, becoming one of the most trusted late-inning guys for Joe Girardi. Marte and Robertson should join Alredo Aceves, Phil Coke, and perhaps even Brian Bruney, if he can get back on track, as nice pieces to the pen. Add in Mark Melancon, who might be ready for a more impressive role next year with the big club, and the Yankees can bring some heat out of that pen.
And, of course, you have CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett holding down the rotation. While Burnett might not be as much of a given as Sabathia, he still showed an ability to stay healthy this year and put together an impressive run of games, from about June through July, that had him pitching at a "best pitcher in the game" level.
The question marks:
This team won 103 games and didn't face elimination once in the playoffs. That means it didn't have many question marks.
But, there are a few areas of concern for the Yankees as they enter 2010, and the biggest question, for me, is whether the Yankees still believe in their young guns for the rotation.
I, quite frankly, can't think of anything more tiring than the Joba debate. I could literally watch 24 hours of Jon and Kate Plus 8 analysis on the E' Network over one more minute of Chamberlain to the pen or rotation nonsense.
At this point, I don't even care. I personally believe it still makes the most sense to keep him in the rotation considering how much time was spent last year "building him up" and watching his every move in order to ensure that, this upcoming year, there would be no limitations. To throw that all away because he wasn't "spectacular" seems a waste.
But, he did rediscover his fastball in the pen and his mentality might be better suited for the pen after all.
Regardless, the Yankees need to make a decision. If they are sending Joba to the pen, they need another starting pitcher, no question. Phil Hughes, who we all believe will be in the rotation to begin the year, is going to be Joba Redux. He will have the same, if not more stringent rules and regulations attached to his year than Chamberlain last season. And, one would assume he would experience the same, if not more "growing pains," meaning Phil Franchise would, most nights, be good for a couple of innings and a couple of runs.
Plus, the Yankees last year got by with almost no major injuries to their starting squad, besides Chien Mien Wang. Burnett has never gone over 200 innings in two straight years, until now. Will he hold up for an entire year next season and make it three 200+ innings in a row? And how about Pettitte, who is assumed to be back this coming year? Andy is going to be 38. As good and consistent as he has been, 38 is an advanced age. Anything can happen. You have to at least be ready for a possible injury or simple loss of stuff. To believe that Andy is good for his usual production is wide eyed at best.
For the sake of arguement, let's say you move Joba to the pen, make Hughes your fifth starter. I, if running the Yankees, would turn my attention to getting at the very least a number 3 quality starter. Perhaps Edwin Jackson could be had for the right price. Perhaps Joel Pinero would be a good fit in pinstripes. That would be my focus. This way, you protect yourself against injury (if either Burnett or Pettitte go down, you still have three starters you can count on), against sudden diminished results (if Pettitte only has fourth starter stuff, no big deal), and protect against being desperate going into next season when one of your starters (Pettitte) will most likely be lost to retirement.
I don't believe you need to go trade for Roy Halladay, as much as I would love to see it. Halladay will cost too much in every way, and the Yankees already have the stud in CC and the enigmatic, can be as good or as bad as anyone in the sport, AJ Burnett. Even if the unthinkable happens and the Red Sox land Halladay, and team him with Beckett and Lester (and Dice K), the Yankees would still have an almost equally formidable rotation if they plugged in a Jackson or Piniero and went CC, Burnett, Piniero or Jackson, Pettitte, and Hughes. Not too shabby, especially considering the Sox would most likely have to relinquish their best prospects to get a Halladay deal done.
Another weak spot will be catching. I believe the Yankees need to seriously consider phasing Jorge Posada out of the full-time catching duties and handing more over to Francisco Cervelli. Cervelli showed enough of a bat to, I believe, be a competent back-up/part-time catcher, and his skills behind the plate are unquestioned. Simply put, Posada's time behind the plate is quickly becoming a hinderance to the Yankee's future success.
So, to quickly summarize the Keats-esque poetry I contributed to the Yankees 27th world championship run that didn't get posted.............they played really well.
The thing I appreciate most about this current group is how much they all seemed to embrace the atmosphere that comes with playing in the Bronx. Yes, the fans are crazy and the media is so far over the top they make Enquirer reporters look like Walter Cronkite disciples. Games in May and June are treated like October baseball and every win and loss, every winning streak and losing streak, every slump or hot stretch is overanalyzed.
But, that's the fun of it.
So many of the guys who have come through New York in the past four or five years have treated being a Yankee like being some sort of political dissident, put on trial each night for crimes they didn't committ. Randy Johnson, who is a no-doubt first ballot hall of famer and one of the most dominating pitchers in the history of the sport, seemed to memorize the phrase "kept my team in the game," as if the Yankees had brought he and his resume in simply to give a third-starter quality outing. Gary Sheffield, who has created a fake persona of mental and physical toughness, folded when New York criticism came his way, doing nothing but embarrass himself in the playoffs two straight years, and then lashed out at everyone from Joe Torre (whom he called a racist) to Derek Jeter (whose mixed ethnicity was questioned by the ever classy Sheff).
Even bit players, like Kyle Farnsworth, reacted to fan interest and media scrutiny with a combination of disdain and dread. It showed that money couldn't purchase success unless that money was spent in the right places.
This year, however, those dollars and cents were finally put in the proper spots. Every single player the Yankees brought in understood the pressures of New York and embraced them. CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett didn't hide behind "quality" starts when they lost a game, they told New York they expected more out of themselves. Mark Teixeira, who was booed in the beginning of the season after getting off to an abysmal start, said that he would have booed, too. Nick Swisher seemed to be a kid in a candy store, thrilled to be out of Chicago and away from Ozzie Guillen and willing to do whatever it took to help the team win. Remember, Swisher had originally thought he was coming to the Yankees as the everyday first baseman, the position he freely admitted was his best overall and the one where he felt most comfortable. Then, the Yanks swooped in and grabbed Tex, turning Swisher not only into an outfielder overnight, but a platoon outfielder at best, as the Yankees had Xavier Nady and Johnny Damon penciled in as their starting corner outfielders.
He didn't say boo. He didn't complain. He didn't run off to some tabloid columnist looking for a story and scream about how Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi lied to him. He walked into spring training ready to work and, because of injuries and his own play, Swisher not only became the Yankees everyday right fielder, he secured the position for the forseeable future.
While this team wasn't your brother's Yankees - buttoned down and businesslike - it had one very important trait in common with the dynasty teams; the players came to win each and every ball game and they took losing as hard as the fans, never wanting to relinquish their "W" for that day. Yes, there were pies in the face and more laughing and joking on the field, but there was also a complete committment to winning EVERY SINGLE GAME, and that came with the exceptance that New York pressure is something to be used and even nutured rather than discarded or avoided.
This was a fun team to root for, with good guys who happened to be great players. As hard as it might have been in the past to root for Gary Sheffield or even Roger Clemens, it was that easy to root for CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira. The new guys showed that it was possible to have fun, show emotion, and have a distinct personality without ever crossing over into the land of the Red Sox or even the Mets, where such actions commonly included showboating (exhibit A would be Jonathan Paplebon's gyrations towards the opposing dugout anytime he ended a game with a strikeout).
The Yankees are the darlings of the city again, and this team will one day be honored along side the other champions, and will take their rightful place in the annuals of pinstripe lore.
So, now what?
Well, I, personally, will turn my attention to the NFL (where my Giants are looking like the Jim Fassel edition lately) and college basketball (with Uconn looking at a very interesting and unpredictable year). I am also going to try my luck at some NBA this year, as I enjoy the Celtics and I am going to be interested to see how the LeBron James watch goes throughout the year (I still don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that the Knicks land Bron Bron. Seriously, you don't think LeBron wasn't watching that Yankee parade? You don't think he saw his buddy, CC Sabathia, riding on that float? And while the Knicks won't do anything this year, they should have a high draft pick, money to spend on a player in addition to LeBron, and two players with outstanding potential in David Lee, who is a double-double every night and is a better big man right now than any LeBron has played with, Shaq included, and Danilo Gallinari, who is just beginning his NBA career and is showing signs of being that long-range assasin needed to win championships).
But, there is no better time than the present to look ahead at some of the moves the offseason might bring for the Yankees. Remember, because the baseball season is now almost 24 months long, pitchers and catchers report in a mere three months. We're lucky the series ended before Thanksgiving.
The strong points:
This team just won the World Series, so most of the points are strong ones. What I especially love about this team right now is that the Yankees are paying guys for what they are going to do, not what they have done. Let me explain: for about seven or eight years it seemed the Yankees traded or signed for guys who had logged their best years for other teams. While the salaries matched the previous performance, the quality of the work was considerably lower. Randy Johnson was paid like the Randy Johnson from 2001, but he pitched like a third starter. Gary Sheffield had one good year with the Yankees and then one lost season, and got paid richly for both. Carl Pavano barely even put the uniform on, yet he walked away, four years later, with $40 million without even logging what would have been one year's worth of starts for the team. Kei Igawa? Dear God, that man is still being paid for what he did in a different league in a different country. The list goes on.
Now, however, the Yankees have some guys who promise to have the best years of their career ahead. CC Sabathia is 29 and promises to perform at an ace-quality level for a very long time. Mark Teixeira put up argueably his best season ever in 2009 and one can see an MVP performance in the future. Even Nick Swisher, only 28 himself, could easily establish himself as a power-hitting corner outfielder and produce some big years as he goes forward.
AJ Burnett is older than that group, but he put together back-to-back 200 inning years for the first time in his career, which either means he and the Yankees were lucky in 2009 or he has figured out how to keep himself healthy. And then you have Robbie Cano, only 26, who was a star this year and seems to get better each season. If he simply produced as he did in 2009, he is one of the best three or four second basemen in the entire league. I think he has more in him.
Couple that with the fact that the left-side of the infield, in Jeter and A-Rod, show no signs of slowing down on their path towards Cooperstown, and this team has a nucleus of players that should be producing big numbers years down the road.
Another strength going forward, in my opinion, will be the bullpen. David Robertson was a diamond in the rough this year, and he showed an amazing ability to get swings and misses even though his fastball isn't topping out at 95 or 96. Damaso Marte was exhibit A for Brian Cashman haters as the example of bad trades and bad signings. No one thought much of him going into the season, and even less was thought when he somehow made the post season roster (I, for one, thought he should have never made the spot). Well, count me as a convert because Marte looked like an untouchable cog in that pen, becoming one of the most trusted late-inning guys for Joe Girardi. Marte and Robertson should join Alredo Aceves, Phil Coke, and perhaps even Brian Bruney, if he can get back on track, as nice pieces to the pen. Add in Mark Melancon, who might be ready for a more impressive role next year with the big club, and the Yankees can bring some heat out of that pen.
And, of course, you have CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett holding down the rotation. While Burnett might not be as much of a given as Sabathia, he still showed an ability to stay healthy this year and put together an impressive run of games, from about June through July, that had him pitching at a "best pitcher in the game" level.
The question marks:
This team won 103 games and didn't face elimination once in the playoffs. That means it didn't have many question marks.
But, there are a few areas of concern for the Yankees as they enter 2010, and the biggest question, for me, is whether the Yankees still believe in their young guns for the rotation.
I, quite frankly, can't think of anything more tiring than the Joba debate. I could literally watch 24 hours of Jon and Kate Plus 8 analysis on the E' Network over one more minute of Chamberlain to the pen or rotation nonsense.
At this point, I don't even care. I personally believe it still makes the most sense to keep him in the rotation considering how much time was spent last year "building him up" and watching his every move in order to ensure that, this upcoming year, there would be no limitations. To throw that all away because he wasn't "spectacular" seems a waste.
But, he did rediscover his fastball in the pen and his mentality might be better suited for the pen after all.
Regardless, the Yankees need to make a decision. If they are sending Joba to the pen, they need another starting pitcher, no question. Phil Hughes, who we all believe will be in the rotation to begin the year, is going to be Joba Redux. He will have the same, if not more stringent rules and regulations attached to his year than Chamberlain last season. And, one would assume he would experience the same, if not more "growing pains," meaning Phil Franchise would, most nights, be good for a couple of innings and a couple of runs.
Plus, the Yankees last year got by with almost no major injuries to their starting squad, besides Chien Mien Wang. Burnett has never gone over 200 innings in two straight years, until now. Will he hold up for an entire year next season and make it three 200+ innings in a row? And how about Pettitte, who is assumed to be back this coming year? Andy is going to be 38. As good and consistent as he has been, 38 is an advanced age. Anything can happen. You have to at least be ready for a possible injury or simple loss of stuff. To believe that Andy is good for his usual production is wide eyed at best.
For the sake of arguement, let's say you move Joba to the pen, make Hughes your fifth starter. I, if running the Yankees, would turn my attention to getting at the very least a number 3 quality starter. Perhaps Edwin Jackson could be had for the right price. Perhaps Joel Pinero would be a good fit in pinstripes. That would be my focus. This way, you protect yourself against injury (if either Burnett or Pettitte go down, you still have three starters you can count on), against sudden diminished results (if Pettitte only has fourth starter stuff, no big deal), and protect against being desperate going into next season when one of your starters (Pettitte) will most likely be lost to retirement.
I don't believe you need to go trade for Roy Halladay, as much as I would love to see it. Halladay will cost too much in every way, and the Yankees already have the stud in CC and the enigmatic, can be as good or as bad as anyone in the sport, AJ Burnett. Even if the unthinkable happens and the Red Sox land Halladay, and team him with Beckett and Lester (and Dice K), the Yankees would still have an almost equally formidable rotation if they plugged in a Jackson or Piniero and went CC, Burnett, Piniero or Jackson, Pettitte, and Hughes. Not too shabby, especially considering the Sox would most likely have to relinquish their best prospects to get a Halladay deal done.
Another weak spot will be catching. I believe the Yankees need to seriously consider phasing Jorge Posada out of the full-time catching duties and handing more over to Francisco Cervelli. Cervelli showed enough of a bat to, I believe, be a competent back-up/part-time catcher, and his skills behind the plate are unquestioned. Simply put, Posada's time behind the plate is quickly becoming a hinderance to the Yankee's future success.
Sunday, October 25
Sunday, September 27
How they got here..............
It has been a while since my last post, partly because the Yankees have essentially been on cruise control since sweeping the Sox in that four game thrashing in early August, and partly because work is, well, work, and the idea of writing on the weekends seemed somewhat............disheartening.
But, today, on the 27th of September, after a well-earned sweep of the Sox yet again, the New York Yankees have clibched the American League East and the best record in the AL, meaning homefield advantage throughout the playoffs (including the World Series, if they make it that far. Thanks All Star Game!). So, I thought this would be a good time to rank the most important factors to the Yankees success this season. Without these different parts all coming togther, the Bombers never, ever would have gotten to where they are now.
5.) Nick Swisher - It is easy to overlook the Swish man on this team because he isn't an all star, nor is he one of the big guns at the top of the lineup. But Swisher's presence on this team has been one of the more important additions of the year.
First, look at the numbers: Swisher is batting an umimpressive .250, but he has 27 homers (most of which were not hit at homer-happy Yankee Stadium), 79 RBI, 80 runs scored, a .370 OBP, and 93 walks. By the end of this season he could have 30 homers and 85 RBI, with close to 100 walks. I would bet anything that, if one were so inclined, they could research all of the corner outfielders in the league and one would find that Swisher is comparable to all but the top, top performers. It is the type of year the Yankees were PRAYING to get out of Xavier Nady. It is the type of season good teams get out of their second-tier players.
Add in the fact that Swisher has gotten consistently better defensively in the outfield and has batted almost everywhere in the lineup effectively, and the strange and often baffling Nick Swisher has been a huge, underrated reason why this team has been on such a roll.
4.) Team Bounceback (Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui, and Robinson Cano) - Coming into the season, none of us had any real idea how this threesome would do. Posada and Matsui were coming off of injuries that all but destroyed their 2008 seasons, and Robinson Cano had played such lackluster, uninspired baseball the previous season it was anyone's guess as to whether he would live up to his natural talent or fade away into a mediocrity. Well, the verdict is in, and all three would have to be ranked as unmidigated successes. Posada never really re-established himself as a top-notch defensive catcher, and his days behind the plate appear to be quickly coming to an end (especially with Francisco Cervelli looking like the real deal), but his offensive skills returned to form as he quickly reaffirmed why he has always been a middle-of-the-lineup type of hitter.
At times early in the season Matsui looked to be all but cooked, running on a stumpy leg that seemed to actually age him from game to game. Then, the old man proved that it doesn't take two legs to swing one bat. Big hits and pressure spots have been Matsui's specialty again this year, and it would take a super computer the likes of Joshua from Wargames to calculate how many big hits the veteran batter has gotten over the last six months.
Then, we come to Robinson Cano, who was one bad half of baseball from being shipped out of town. Cano, last year, became the symbol of the ills that plagued the Yankees all year long. He didn't seem to hustle or play with the desire that would be consistent with Yankee teams of the past. He also didn't seem to play smart baseball, always making the wrong choice at the worst possible time. And his entire demeanor seemed to scream Manny Ramirez.
So, with everything to prove, Robby C seemed to come into this season with a purpose. With a week left in the season, Cano is batting .321, 24 homers, 80 RBI, 100 runs scored, 47 doubles, and 200 overall hits. It is the type of season you should expect to see many, many more times over the course of Cano's career.
But, perhaps most impressive has been Cano's defense. He would have to be given major consideration for a gold glove and he has solidified the Yankees as one of the best infield defenses in the league. Coming into the year, most of us felt that Cano was either going to become a star or a bust. Well, the light is shining brightly right now for 24.
3.) Phil Hughes (and the entire bullpen) - It must have been somewhere around late May when, one day, I tuned into Mike Francesa on WFAN and his rotundness was spouting off that the Yankee bullpen would NEVER be any good unless the Yanks wised up and moved Joba back behind those walls. The guys just weren't there and, Francesa screamed, you can't just move anyone into the pen and have them be a success. A while later, the Yankees decided to move Phil Hughes from the rotation to the pen, slotting poor, lonely Chien Mien Wang into the rotation. Again. Francesa was incredulous about the move, stating as FACT that Hughes would be one step bellow dog dung in such a roll.
How's that prediction looking now, Mikey?
Phil Hughes hasn't just become a shut-down eighth inning guy, bridging the infamous "bridge to Mariano" as well as anyone in the past 10 years. He has become one of the most dominant relievers in the game, instilling confidence that is usually reserved for Rivera. Hughes has been every bit as good as Joba was in 2007, striking guys out on a consistent basis, and doing it with a quiet swagger that exudes intimidation. His blazing fastball (which now clocks at 95-96), combined with a 12-6 curve and a newly-rediscovered slider, makes him, at times, untouchable.
And his dominance has also translated to overall success for the entire bullpen. Everyone has been slotted into their appropriate roles. Phil Coke, Dave Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, and Brian Bruney have all stepped their game up knowing that they have ownership of certain moments and times in the game. Girardi seemed in love with the idea of sticking different guys in different roles on an almost everyday basis. Today, you might be a long man, while tomorrow you'll be the eighth inning guy. That just didn't work. Now, everyone has a role, and Hughes' success is what has allowed such consistency. Without it, one could see Girardi still trying to force such a hodgepodge approach to the pen.
Hughes may eventually live up to his billing as a top-quality starter (though I think all of us shutter at the thought of the Phil Rules replacing the Joba Rules) but, for now, he has been the backbone (along with Mo, obviously) of one of the, if not the best bullpens in the entire league.
2.) CC Sabathia - Yes, the entire rotation has been important. I agree. And, one can make the arguement that CC has simply been the pitcher Mike Mussina was for this team last year, when the Yanks missed the playoffs. But as GREAT as Moose was, Sabathia has been an ace. The big lefty has been tremendous, especially in the second half of the year when, in my opinion, he became the Cy Young award winner (Zach Greinke's numbers are startlingly good, but one has to give consideration to the fact that the next big, important, pressure-packed game in which Greinke pitches will be his first. Pitching for something meaningful in high-pressure situations has to count for something, right?).
Sabathia's dominance at the top has allowed the team to weather terrible stretches by both AJ Burnett and Joba Chamberlain and inconsistent starts from the likes of Sergio Mitre and Chad Gaudin. He has also pitched well against the team's biggest rivals (Sox and Angels) and has matched up with the likes of Justin Verlander, always seeming to win that battle.
Having CC as the ever-present win, especially in the second half, has been invaluable, and having a player the caliber of CC, who signed for such a huge contract in the offseason, live up to expectations, has been even more important.
1.) Mark Teixeira Speaking of living up to expectations....................Tex gets my top slot for two very important reasons: first, he has been the main cog in the offense since the middle part of May, when Alex Rodriguez returned and teams couldn't pitch around him constantly. He has the most RBI's in the league, is second in homers, and is batting .294 with a .380 OBP. Teixeira lengthened the lineup the way Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield never could, and unlike those guys, who became all or nothing hitters towards the end, Teixeira has proven to be not only a great power hitter but also a terrific situational hitter, a great baserunner, and a hustler on every play (anyone remember Luis Castillo dropping that ball in the Subway series? It would have meant nothing if Tex wasn't busting it from first the entire way).
But, what makes Tex so special is his defense and his obvious ascension, already, as a team leader. How many errors has he saved with his glove? It would be hard to measure, but I doubt one could make an accurate count only using two hands. Forget the obvious scoop plays and high snags on throws that appear to be going astray, how about the errors that were saved simply by his mere presence? Don't you get the sense that Jeter, A-Rod, and Cano are all more confident and comfortable throwing to first knowing that, if one gets away from them, they have a guy there more than capable of cleaning up the mess? That kind of confidence has probably made them more accurate, simply by removing the fear of overthrowing or underthrowing the guy standing on the bag.
It is that kind of immense influence he has had on both the offense and the defense and it is why I believe Tex is the most important piece to the Yankee puzzle this season.
Honorable Mentions - Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez
I still hold out some hope that Jeter will be able to sneak in as the MVP this year, just because the future hall of famer has deserved the award, in my opinion, two other times. His year has been amazing from beginning to end and he has been the sparkplug of the team all year long. His play in the field and his overall offensive game (running, hitting, stealing) has been a joy to watch.
A-Rod has been the most impressive I have ever seen him. No, his numbers don't compare to his 2007 season, but forgive me if look at that year with a somewhat jaudiced eye, considering his admission this year that he used steroids.
Nope, this year, after missing 5 weeks, he has been brilliant. He has come up with HUGE hits, played very good defense, run the bases extraordinarily well, even when still hampered by his hip inury, and has played great defense. And, he has stayed off the back pages and truly become "one of the team."
The only reason I didn't include these two on the top list is because, in large part, these two future residents of Cooperstown (I think A-Rod will still get in) are doing what you would expect. They are great players playing great.
But, today, on the 27th of September, after a well-earned sweep of the Sox yet again, the New York Yankees have clibched the American League East and the best record in the AL, meaning homefield advantage throughout the playoffs (including the World Series, if they make it that far. Thanks All Star Game!). So, I thought this would be a good time to rank the most important factors to the Yankees success this season. Without these different parts all coming togther, the Bombers never, ever would have gotten to where they are now.
5.) Nick Swisher - It is easy to overlook the Swish man on this team because he isn't an all star, nor is he one of the big guns at the top of the lineup. But Swisher's presence on this team has been one of the more important additions of the year.
First, look at the numbers: Swisher is batting an umimpressive .250, but he has 27 homers (most of which were not hit at homer-happy Yankee Stadium), 79 RBI, 80 runs scored, a .370 OBP, and 93 walks. By the end of this season he could have 30 homers and 85 RBI, with close to 100 walks. I would bet anything that, if one were so inclined, they could research all of the corner outfielders in the league and one would find that Swisher is comparable to all but the top, top performers. It is the type of year the Yankees were PRAYING to get out of Xavier Nady. It is the type of season good teams get out of their second-tier players.
Add in the fact that Swisher has gotten consistently better defensively in the outfield and has batted almost everywhere in the lineup effectively, and the strange and often baffling Nick Swisher has been a huge, underrated reason why this team has been on such a roll.
4.) Team Bounceback (Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui, and Robinson Cano) - Coming into the season, none of us had any real idea how this threesome would do. Posada and Matsui were coming off of injuries that all but destroyed their 2008 seasons, and Robinson Cano had played such lackluster, uninspired baseball the previous season it was anyone's guess as to whether he would live up to his natural talent or fade away into a mediocrity. Well, the verdict is in, and all three would have to be ranked as unmidigated successes. Posada never really re-established himself as a top-notch defensive catcher, and his days behind the plate appear to be quickly coming to an end (especially with Francisco Cervelli looking like the real deal), but his offensive skills returned to form as he quickly reaffirmed why he has always been a middle-of-the-lineup type of hitter.
At times early in the season Matsui looked to be all but cooked, running on a stumpy leg that seemed to actually age him from game to game. Then, the old man proved that it doesn't take two legs to swing one bat. Big hits and pressure spots have been Matsui's specialty again this year, and it would take a super computer the likes of Joshua from Wargames to calculate how many big hits the veteran batter has gotten over the last six months.
Then, we come to Robinson Cano, who was one bad half of baseball from being shipped out of town. Cano, last year, became the symbol of the ills that plagued the Yankees all year long. He didn't seem to hustle or play with the desire that would be consistent with Yankee teams of the past. He also didn't seem to play smart baseball, always making the wrong choice at the worst possible time. And his entire demeanor seemed to scream Manny Ramirez.
So, with everything to prove, Robby C seemed to come into this season with a purpose. With a week left in the season, Cano is batting .321, 24 homers, 80 RBI, 100 runs scored, 47 doubles, and 200 overall hits. It is the type of season you should expect to see many, many more times over the course of Cano's career.
But, perhaps most impressive has been Cano's defense. He would have to be given major consideration for a gold glove and he has solidified the Yankees as one of the best infield defenses in the league. Coming into the year, most of us felt that Cano was either going to become a star or a bust. Well, the light is shining brightly right now for 24.
3.) Phil Hughes (and the entire bullpen) - It must have been somewhere around late May when, one day, I tuned into Mike Francesa on WFAN and his rotundness was spouting off that the Yankee bullpen would NEVER be any good unless the Yanks wised up and moved Joba back behind those walls. The guys just weren't there and, Francesa screamed, you can't just move anyone into the pen and have them be a success. A while later, the Yankees decided to move Phil Hughes from the rotation to the pen, slotting poor, lonely Chien Mien Wang into the rotation. Again. Francesa was incredulous about the move, stating as FACT that Hughes would be one step bellow dog dung in such a roll.
How's that prediction looking now, Mikey?
Phil Hughes hasn't just become a shut-down eighth inning guy, bridging the infamous "bridge to Mariano" as well as anyone in the past 10 years. He has become one of the most dominant relievers in the game, instilling confidence that is usually reserved for Rivera. Hughes has been every bit as good as Joba was in 2007, striking guys out on a consistent basis, and doing it with a quiet swagger that exudes intimidation. His blazing fastball (which now clocks at 95-96), combined with a 12-6 curve and a newly-rediscovered slider, makes him, at times, untouchable.
And his dominance has also translated to overall success for the entire bullpen. Everyone has been slotted into their appropriate roles. Phil Coke, Dave Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, and Brian Bruney have all stepped their game up knowing that they have ownership of certain moments and times in the game. Girardi seemed in love with the idea of sticking different guys in different roles on an almost everyday basis. Today, you might be a long man, while tomorrow you'll be the eighth inning guy. That just didn't work. Now, everyone has a role, and Hughes' success is what has allowed such consistency. Without it, one could see Girardi still trying to force such a hodgepodge approach to the pen.
Hughes may eventually live up to his billing as a top-quality starter (though I think all of us shutter at the thought of the Phil Rules replacing the Joba Rules) but, for now, he has been the backbone (along with Mo, obviously) of one of the, if not the best bullpens in the entire league.
2.) CC Sabathia - Yes, the entire rotation has been important. I agree. And, one can make the arguement that CC has simply been the pitcher Mike Mussina was for this team last year, when the Yanks missed the playoffs. But as GREAT as Moose was, Sabathia has been an ace. The big lefty has been tremendous, especially in the second half of the year when, in my opinion, he became the Cy Young award winner (Zach Greinke's numbers are startlingly good, but one has to give consideration to the fact that the next big, important, pressure-packed game in which Greinke pitches will be his first. Pitching for something meaningful in high-pressure situations has to count for something, right?).
Sabathia's dominance at the top has allowed the team to weather terrible stretches by both AJ Burnett and Joba Chamberlain and inconsistent starts from the likes of Sergio Mitre and Chad Gaudin. He has also pitched well against the team's biggest rivals (Sox and Angels) and has matched up with the likes of Justin Verlander, always seeming to win that battle.
Having CC as the ever-present win, especially in the second half, has been invaluable, and having a player the caliber of CC, who signed for such a huge contract in the offseason, live up to expectations, has been even more important.
1.) Mark Teixeira Speaking of living up to expectations....................Tex gets my top slot for two very important reasons: first, he has been the main cog in the offense since the middle part of May, when Alex Rodriguez returned and teams couldn't pitch around him constantly. He has the most RBI's in the league, is second in homers, and is batting .294 with a .380 OBP. Teixeira lengthened the lineup the way Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield never could, and unlike those guys, who became all or nothing hitters towards the end, Teixeira has proven to be not only a great power hitter but also a terrific situational hitter, a great baserunner, and a hustler on every play (anyone remember Luis Castillo dropping that ball in the Subway series? It would have meant nothing if Tex wasn't busting it from first the entire way).
But, what makes Tex so special is his defense and his obvious ascension, already, as a team leader. How many errors has he saved with his glove? It would be hard to measure, but I doubt one could make an accurate count only using two hands. Forget the obvious scoop plays and high snags on throws that appear to be going astray, how about the errors that were saved simply by his mere presence? Don't you get the sense that Jeter, A-Rod, and Cano are all more confident and comfortable throwing to first knowing that, if one gets away from them, they have a guy there more than capable of cleaning up the mess? That kind of confidence has probably made them more accurate, simply by removing the fear of overthrowing or underthrowing the guy standing on the bag.
It is that kind of immense influence he has had on both the offense and the defense and it is why I believe Tex is the most important piece to the Yankee puzzle this season.
Honorable Mentions - Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez
I still hold out some hope that Jeter will be able to sneak in as the MVP this year, just because the future hall of famer has deserved the award, in my opinion, two other times. His year has been amazing from beginning to end and he has been the sparkplug of the team all year long. His play in the field and his overall offensive game (running, hitting, stealing) has been a joy to watch.
A-Rod has been the most impressive I have ever seen him. No, his numbers don't compare to his 2007 season, but forgive me if look at that year with a somewhat jaudiced eye, considering his admission this year that he used steroids.
Nope, this year, after missing 5 weeks, he has been brilliant. He has come up with HUGE hits, played very good defense, run the bases extraordinarily well, even when still hampered by his hip inury, and has played great defense. And, he has stayed off the back pages and truly become "one of the team."
The only reason I didn't include these two on the top list is because, in large part, these two future residents of Cooperstown (I think A-Rod will still get in) are doing what you would expect. They are great players playing great.
Sunday, August 30
The Joba Rules............are you kidding me?
I just have to vent about the stupidity of the Joba Rules and how, now, they have taken on a new definition. Supposedly, after the Yankee cracker jack team of investigators realized that giving him sporadic starts with different days of rest wasn't working out too well (they might have been tipped off by his 9 ERA in those outings) the braintrust that has done everything to stunt and stymie this young man's growth came up with another set of "rules" to go by. Now, Joba will be treated, for the foreseeable future, as really a starter in name only. Essentially, he is going to "start" games but not really look to finish them in any way. Will he go three innings? Will he go five innings? No one knows except for, well, Joba and the coaching staff.
Am I the only one that thinks this whole thing is utterly ludicrous?
I understand the premise behind these actions and, in a way, I agree with it. I do believe that stretching relatively young kids out well beyond what they have been accustomed to is dangerous and we have seen that starters who have jumped up, especially into the 200 inning mark after coming no where close the season prior have had arm issues and performance problems.
But when is enough enough?
Joba is currently at about 130 innings pitched. The Yankees decided that they want him to pitch somewhere around 160 or so innings this season. Let's say that Joba has 6 starts left (it might only be 5 but we'll say 6 to be safe) and let's make a HUGE assumption and say he were to average 7 innings in those 6 starts. That would mean he would pitch an extra 42 innings this regular season, not counting the playoffs, where it would be impossible to predict what kind of innings he would receive (would he be moved to the pen, in which case he would only be asked to pitch one inning at a time, or would he be kept in the rotation as a fourth starter, in which case he might not be needed at all in certain series?).
We know that Joba wouldn't average 7 innings, so let's say he averaged 6, which would be an added 36 innings, which would put him right in line for the "innings limit" they have set up.
Are you telling me that, if Joba went 172 innings as opposed to 165 innings, his arm would fall off? Are these guys robots? Is there no pitcher in human history who has seen their innings go over 170 and live to tell about it? Really?
Just let the freakin kid pitch.
He isn't good enough to threaten this dreaded innings limit anyway. Plus, what no one has talked about is that Joba's inning limit, to me, is a joke anyway because the concern isn't the innings but the pitches. Joba's 40 pitch innings, I am sure, put far more stress on his arm than a 8 inning, 90 pitch game ever would. How many of those games has he had already this year?
And all of this ignores the fact that Joba has not, in any way, proven that he should remain a starter for his career. In the best of circumstances, he hasn't shown the ability to conserve innings, pitches, and go deep into games. He hasn't shown that he can be the pitcher the Yankees want him to be.
Now, I still believe he has that type of talent, but he has to be allowed to show it before any of us can say, categorically, that he is the next great thing in the rotation.
And how unfair has all of this been to Joba?
I get as frustrated with Joba as anyone, mostly because I still firmly believe he can be a great pitcher, but when you consider how much they have juggled this kid and played with his head, it is really a miracle he has done as well as he has. Think about it: Joba, who has been starter all of his young career, was brought up and turned into an eighth-inning reliever in 2007; in 2008, as if still trying to figure out what to do with the young man, they started him in the bullpen then "transitioned" him, in season, to the rotation, doing something similar to what they are doing now in limiting his innings and trying to "build him up"; because of that strange decision to transition Joba in the majors rather than the minors, he hurt his arm, was placed on the DL, and when he returned he was placed, again, in the pen; start of the 2009 season he was announced as a starter, but he was essentially only allowed to go 100 pitches (if that) per game and, after a very onconsistent first half, he came back in the beginning of the second half and pitched lights out, only to have the Yankees decide to begin their "Joba Conservation" plan in between starts, which has now morphed into the new Joba Rules.
Pitchers are creatures of habit and Chamberlain's entire season has seemed more like a laboratory experiment rather than a season focused on winning baseball games. It hasn't been fair to him and it hasn't been fair to the team. I said this about Phil Hughes and I'll say it about Joba Chamberlain: the Yankees do not exist to ensure that they develop as seamlessly as possible. Chamberlain and all the young players exist to try and help this team win.
Keeping an eye on their health and trying to do what is best for them in the future is fine, but the Yankees seem to be overdoing it a bit, don't you think? Instead of treating these kids as professionals, they seem to be treating them as youngsters on a little league soccer team. Maybe Joba's arm is stronger than what the yankees are assuming, or maybe he is like Francisco Liriano, who never came close to exceeding some innings limit because his arm exploded well before it. Maybe Joba is CC Sabathia or maybe he is Mark Prior. The point is, numbers on a page don't tell you that, only time and experience does.
All I know is I am as sick of the Joba Rules as I am of the "Joba to the pen" arguement. Maybe, one day, they'll treat the kid like a professional. If they don't plan to do that, send him down to the minors because people at MLB should be there to help the team win, not learn.
Am I the only one that thinks this whole thing is utterly ludicrous?
I understand the premise behind these actions and, in a way, I agree with it. I do believe that stretching relatively young kids out well beyond what they have been accustomed to is dangerous and we have seen that starters who have jumped up, especially into the 200 inning mark after coming no where close the season prior have had arm issues and performance problems.
But when is enough enough?
Joba is currently at about 130 innings pitched. The Yankees decided that they want him to pitch somewhere around 160 or so innings this season. Let's say that Joba has 6 starts left (it might only be 5 but we'll say 6 to be safe) and let's make a HUGE assumption and say he were to average 7 innings in those 6 starts. That would mean he would pitch an extra 42 innings this regular season, not counting the playoffs, where it would be impossible to predict what kind of innings he would receive (would he be moved to the pen, in which case he would only be asked to pitch one inning at a time, or would he be kept in the rotation as a fourth starter, in which case he might not be needed at all in certain series?).
We know that Joba wouldn't average 7 innings, so let's say he averaged 6, which would be an added 36 innings, which would put him right in line for the "innings limit" they have set up.
Are you telling me that, if Joba went 172 innings as opposed to 165 innings, his arm would fall off? Are these guys robots? Is there no pitcher in human history who has seen their innings go over 170 and live to tell about it? Really?
Just let the freakin kid pitch.
He isn't good enough to threaten this dreaded innings limit anyway. Plus, what no one has talked about is that Joba's inning limit, to me, is a joke anyway because the concern isn't the innings but the pitches. Joba's 40 pitch innings, I am sure, put far more stress on his arm than a 8 inning, 90 pitch game ever would. How many of those games has he had already this year?
And all of this ignores the fact that Joba has not, in any way, proven that he should remain a starter for his career. In the best of circumstances, he hasn't shown the ability to conserve innings, pitches, and go deep into games. He hasn't shown that he can be the pitcher the Yankees want him to be.
Now, I still believe he has that type of talent, but he has to be allowed to show it before any of us can say, categorically, that he is the next great thing in the rotation.
And how unfair has all of this been to Joba?
I get as frustrated with Joba as anyone, mostly because I still firmly believe he can be a great pitcher, but when you consider how much they have juggled this kid and played with his head, it is really a miracle he has done as well as he has. Think about it: Joba, who has been starter all of his young career, was brought up and turned into an eighth-inning reliever in 2007; in 2008, as if still trying to figure out what to do with the young man, they started him in the bullpen then "transitioned" him, in season, to the rotation, doing something similar to what they are doing now in limiting his innings and trying to "build him up"; because of that strange decision to transition Joba in the majors rather than the minors, he hurt his arm, was placed on the DL, and when he returned he was placed, again, in the pen; start of the 2009 season he was announced as a starter, but he was essentially only allowed to go 100 pitches (if that) per game and, after a very onconsistent first half, he came back in the beginning of the second half and pitched lights out, only to have the Yankees decide to begin their "Joba Conservation" plan in between starts, which has now morphed into the new Joba Rules.
Pitchers are creatures of habit and Chamberlain's entire season has seemed more like a laboratory experiment rather than a season focused on winning baseball games. It hasn't been fair to him and it hasn't been fair to the team. I said this about Phil Hughes and I'll say it about Joba Chamberlain: the Yankees do not exist to ensure that they develop as seamlessly as possible. Chamberlain and all the young players exist to try and help this team win.
Keeping an eye on their health and trying to do what is best for them in the future is fine, but the Yankees seem to be overdoing it a bit, don't you think? Instead of treating these kids as professionals, they seem to be treating them as youngsters on a little league soccer team. Maybe Joba's arm is stronger than what the yankees are assuming, or maybe he is like Francisco Liriano, who never came close to exceeding some innings limit because his arm exploded well before it. Maybe Joba is CC Sabathia or maybe he is Mark Prior. The point is, numbers on a page don't tell you that, only time and experience does.
All I know is I am as sick of the Joba Rules as I am of the "Joba to the pen" arguement. Maybe, one day, they'll treat the kid like a professional. If they don't plan to do that, send him down to the minors because people at MLB should be there to help the team win, not learn.
Sunday, August 16
A tally of right and wrong calls here in the dog days..........
I have tried posting a couple of times over the last month but, for some reason, blogspot hasn't been very receptive to my desire to opine about all things Yankees, so I'll try it one more time.
Really, things have settled down in Yankee land. In fact, it is the first time in several years where it feels like the dynasty days where, as a fan, you expect the team to win every time they take the field.
So, with the Bombers rolling and the dog days officially here, I thought it would be a good time to take stock of some of the "predictions" I have made throughout the year and see how I'm doing. There is still plenty of time for me to be right or wrong, but August seems to be a perfect time to really see where I stand.
What I was right about:
Oh, the list is so long..............:)
First, the thing I am most proud of is my early championing of Phil Hughes to the pen. While such beat guys like Sweeney Murti and Peter Abraham poo-pooed the idea from the get go, and resident blowhard Mik Francesa emphatically professed that Hughes "won't be good in the pen at all," Franchise has taken to relief work like Lindsay Lohan to a Vegas cathouse. The eighth inning and the "bridge" to Mariano has never been more secur, and Hughes is the biggest reason why. Only required to throw two pitches, Hughes' fastball has added life and his curve is devastating. And there is a swagger about him on the mound that has not been there before. He looks almost annoyed when someone gets a hit or he gives up a walk.
Second, I was right about the pen in general. WHile everyone was suggesting that the pen would NEVER be the equal of other teams' relievers, I predicted the Yankees were not that far away from having a very capable group. Did I know they would be this good? No way. But I saw the talent in Phil Coke, Alfredo Aceves, Brian Bruney, and even David Robertson, all of whom have become valuable commodities in a pen that is about as shut down as you're going to get. Bully for me.
Third, while I can't give myself that much credit for this, I'll take a bow none the less. While the likes of Joel Sherman (another moron making comments with little knowledge to back it up) were suggesting that Derek Jeter was simply a "singles hitter" now and others were typing in their calculations to prove that Jeter was the worst fielder since Todd Hundley ventured out to left field, I quietly predicted that Jeter would have a return-to-form season, which would be a prelude to next season (contract year), which promises to be even better. Right now, Jeter is at .320, 15, 53, 20 stolen bases, and a near .400 OBP. He's on pace for 20 homers, 75+ RBI, 30+ stolen bases, 200 hits, 100 runs, and his best defensive season in the last five. And, yes, I saw it coming.
Fourth, I believe it was me who saw Damon's contract year coming. Of course, a lot of other people did as well, so I'll just add my name to the list. But, remember, it is a list of people who were right about something.
Fifth, I was right that the Yankees were the best team in the East and that the Rays would be the odd ballclub out.
Really, things have settled down in Yankee land. In fact, it is the first time in several years where it feels like the dynasty days where, as a fan, you expect the team to win every time they take the field.
So, with the Bombers rolling and the dog days officially here, I thought it would be a good time to take stock of some of the "predictions" I have made throughout the year and see how I'm doing. There is still plenty of time for me to be right or wrong, but August seems to be a perfect time to really see where I stand.
What I was right about:
Oh, the list is so long..............:)
First, the thing I am most proud of is my early championing of Phil Hughes to the pen. While such beat guys like Sweeney Murti and Peter Abraham poo-pooed the idea from the get go, and resident blowhard Mik Francesa emphatically professed that Hughes "won't be good in the pen at all," Franchise has taken to relief work like Lindsay Lohan to a Vegas cathouse. The eighth inning and the "bridge" to Mariano has never been more secur, and Hughes is the biggest reason why. Only required to throw two pitches, Hughes' fastball has added life and his curve is devastating. And there is a swagger about him on the mound that has not been there before. He looks almost annoyed when someone gets a hit or he gives up a walk.
Second, I was right about the pen in general. WHile everyone was suggesting that the pen would NEVER be the equal of other teams' relievers, I predicted the Yankees were not that far away from having a very capable group. Did I know they would be this good? No way. But I saw the talent in Phil Coke, Alfredo Aceves, Brian Bruney, and even David Robertson, all of whom have become valuable commodities in a pen that is about as shut down as you're going to get. Bully for me.
Third, while I can't give myself that much credit for this, I'll take a bow none the less. While the likes of Joel Sherman (another moron making comments with little knowledge to back it up) were suggesting that Derek Jeter was simply a "singles hitter" now and others were typing in their calculations to prove that Jeter was the worst fielder since Todd Hundley ventured out to left field, I quietly predicted that Jeter would have a return-to-form season, which would be a prelude to next season (contract year), which promises to be even better. Right now, Jeter is at .320, 15, 53, 20 stolen bases, and a near .400 OBP. He's on pace for 20 homers, 75+ RBI, 30+ stolen bases, 200 hits, 100 runs, and his best defensive season in the last five. And, yes, I saw it coming.
Fourth, I believe it was me who saw Damon's contract year coming. Of course, a lot of other people did as well, so I'll just add my name to the list. But, remember, it is a list of people who were right about something.
Fifth, I was right that the Yankees were the best team in the East and that the Rays would be the odd ballclub out.
Sunday, July 19
Joba teaches a reminder course.........
Here is the thing about Joba: he is so damn talented, and burst on the scene with such an amazing display of electric stuff, it is impossible to lower the impossible standards to which he is subjected at this point.
Before the All Star Game Yankee fans had essentially done a 180 on Chamberlain. The most beloved young player on the Yanks was being booed and, once Roy Halladay's name was mentioned in trade rumors, everyone was wondering how much gas it would cost to drive Joba to the station to make the exchange.
But this afternoon, Joba reminded us of a few important facts.
Joba reminded us that he still has the stuff to be one of the best pitchers in the game. He reminded us that his fastball hasn't gone the way of the dodo bird and that, when his slider is diving in and out of the strikezone, he can go on an extraordinary run of creating swings and misses.
He also reminded us that he is 23 years old, something we have a tendency to forget, and while all of us would love for him to have matured to the point of consistent dominance, sometimes these things take a while.
It was pretty darn interesting to watch Joba duel Edwin Jackson this afternoon, considering where Jackson is in his own maturity as a pitcher. At 23-years old, while with the Rays, Jackson, in his first full season as a starter, went a terrible 5-15. He went 161 innings and gave up 195 hits, accounting for a 5.76 ERA. Last year, at 24 and a full season under his belt, Jackson lowered his ERA to 4.42, nearly 1.5 runs per game better, winning 14, pitching 183 innings and giving up 199 hits.
Now, in Detroit at age 25, Jackson has begun to fully realize his outstanding potential. He is projected to win anywhere between 13 and 15 games with an ERA under 3, going 230 innings and striking out 182. He made the All Star team for the first time and is establishing himself as one of the best young pitchers in the game.
Can you imagine if Jackson had put up those kinda numbers for the Yankees early in his career? He would have been shipped off to the next available team for a bag of balls.
Joba, in New York, at 23, has a 4.05 ERA, is on pace to pitch 169 innings, give up 178 hits and strike out 153 while winning 10 games. For his first full season as a starter in the majors, after having only 150 innings at the minor league level, that isn't too bad, is it?
Look, Joba can be absolutely infuriating to watch pitch, and I am sure he will pop up another sub-par performance before too long that makes us all scratch our head, but for today Joba was able, with his 97 MPH fastball and devastating slider, to collectively slap us all across the face and remind us that the talent is there and, sometimes, you do have to wait a little while for it to come around. The Rays didn't and they handed the Tigers a guy who could be a top pitcher for 10 years. The Yanks can't make that kind of mistake.
Before the All Star Game Yankee fans had essentially done a 180 on Chamberlain. The most beloved young player on the Yanks was being booed and, once Roy Halladay's name was mentioned in trade rumors, everyone was wondering how much gas it would cost to drive Joba to the station to make the exchange.
But this afternoon, Joba reminded us of a few important facts.
Joba reminded us that he still has the stuff to be one of the best pitchers in the game. He reminded us that his fastball hasn't gone the way of the dodo bird and that, when his slider is diving in and out of the strikezone, he can go on an extraordinary run of creating swings and misses.
He also reminded us that he is 23 years old, something we have a tendency to forget, and while all of us would love for him to have matured to the point of consistent dominance, sometimes these things take a while.
It was pretty darn interesting to watch Joba duel Edwin Jackson this afternoon, considering where Jackson is in his own maturity as a pitcher. At 23-years old, while with the Rays, Jackson, in his first full season as a starter, went a terrible 5-15. He went 161 innings and gave up 195 hits, accounting for a 5.76 ERA. Last year, at 24 and a full season under his belt, Jackson lowered his ERA to 4.42, nearly 1.5 runs per game better, winning 14, pitching 183 innings and giving up 199 hits.
Now, in Detroit at age 25, Jackson has begun to fully realize his outstanding potential. He is projected to win anywhere between 13 and 15 games with an ERA under 3, going 230 innings and striking out 182. He made the All Star team for the first time and is establishing himself as one of the best young pitchers in the game.
Can you imagine if Jackson had put up those kinda numbers for the Yankees early in his career? He would have been shipped off to the next available team for a bag of balls.
Joba, in New York, at 23, has a 4.05 ERA, is on pace to pitch 169 innings, give up 178 hits and strike out 153 while winning 10 games. For his first full season as a starter in the majors, after having only 150 innings at the minor league level, that isn't too bad, is it?
Look, Joba can be absolutely infuriating to watch pitch, and I am sure he will pop up another sub-par performance before too long that makes us all scratch our head, but for today Joba was able, with his 97 MPH fastball and devastating slider, to collectively slap us all across the face and remind us that the talent is there and, sometimes, you do have to wait a little while for it to come around. The Rays didn't and they handed the Tigers a guy who could be a top pitcher for 10 years. The Yanks can't make that kind of mistake.
Friday, July 17
It isn't going to happen, but if it did, here's what I would do
Okay, let’s get this right out in the open right now: I don’t believe for one second that Roy Halladay is being traded to either the Yankees or the Red Sox. Seriously, folks, put yourself in the shoes of Blue Jay’s GM J.P. Riccardi; how would you justify trading your best player and the face of your franchise to one of your division rivals for prospects?
Hey, we may all know who Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, and Phil Hughes are, but do you think a Blue Jay fan knows, or cares one wink, about those names? If you do, here is a pop quiz: who is the best prospect in Toronto’s system? If you asked the three hard-core Jays fans in Toronto that question, it would roll off the tongue, but damned if I know. So, if the Yankees traded CC Sabathia or Derek Jeter for one of those guys, or even three of them, would it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Of course not.
The Halladay deal is going to be painful for fans no matter what. Trading him in division is like spitting in their face while you’re signing the agreement.
BUT…………….
Alright, let’s play in media fantasy land for a second and say that Toronto would trade Halladay to the Bronx. Who would I be willing to give up in that kinda trade?
Well, let’s lop off some names right off the bat: Jeter, Posada, Teixeira, A-Rod, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Mariano. Those guys are either a.) too old, b.) making too much money, c.) aren’t available, or d.) all of the above. Whichever letter you pick, it means no go.
Two guys who are highly unlikely but just missed making that list are Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher. Cano is young and is tremendously talented, but his inability to hit in the clutch makes him a prime candidate for “can’t handle New York” status once more is asked of him and his easy-going style of play can rub some New Yorkers the wrong way. Problem with trading him to the Jays is this: he is getting paid $42 million and they already have a pretty darn good second baseman in Aaron Hill.
All sides point to no on Cano.
Swisher? Well, again, I highly doubt the Jays would take on his contract and .242 average, but he does have power, is only 28, and can play multiple positions. That makes him more attractive than the other guys, but still a long shot.
No, this comes down to the younger guys who are either already on the team, or expected in the next few years. Of course, if the Blue Jays are worth their weight in gold they know the Yankee system better than I, so I’m sure there are names they know and like that I won’t be mentioning. But at least a few of these guys will HAVE to be included, one would think.
Let’s start with the guys I would ABSOLUTELY be willing to give up in a Halladay deal: Melky Cabrera, Phil Coke, Dave Robertson, Andrew Brackman, Austin Jackson, Zack McAllister, Dellin Betances, Brett Gardner, and Mark Melancon.
I don’t think there is any shocker in there except for Austin Jackson.
First, I buy into Jackson, I really do. I like the kid A LOT. Anyone catch some of the minor’s All Star Game last night? Jackson hit a triple off the right-center field wall that he absolutely crushed. It was an opposite field rocket shot and he was motoring. And, supposedly, he is a very good fielder as well.
I think the power will come, but not in 35-4- range, probably the 20+ range, which is still pretty good for a kid who might steal 40+ bases.
But outfielders are probably the easiest commodity to get on the market and the Yankees have some decent ones already. Save a sweep to the Angels before the break, the Yankees were essentially tied with the Red Sox for the division with an outfield of Brett Gardner, Johnny Damon, Nick Swisher, and Melky Cabrera. You can win with that outfield, although it is, I admit, not ideal.
Plus, if you let Jackson go, you would undoubtedly hang onto Gardner, and I am a big fan of the little man. I think he might be the type of rugged, hustle player the Yankees have been looking for. You need those kinda guys. That, to me, makes Jackson somewhat expendable.
If, for some reason, the Jays want Gardner, than Jackson is your man in center, but you have a surplus there, making him expendable.
Also, while I like the upside of Melancon and am not scared off at all by his poor performances when called up, he is a reliever. You can find, or make, relievers if you have to.
Here are the three guys I would think about but would be VERY reticent to give up: Franscico Cervelli, Austin Romine, and Phil Hughes.
I know, Cervelli probably doesn’t deserve to be on this list considering he hasn’t been touted as a big-time prospect and was only in the majors for a limited time. But you had to be impressed with this young man. He has superior defensive skills and his offensive game was a lot better than I think most people realized. I like him a lot but would probably be willing to part with him, although I admit it would be tough.
Romine is supposedly a more refined catcher than highly touted Jesus Montero and his power numbers are not that far off either. But none of us have ever seen the young man on the big stage and the Yankees are stocked at the catcher position. With so many options (Cervelli, Montero, and young prospects at the lower levels) coming at catcher, giving up Romine would be a possibility.
Now to the big debate.
Here is how I look at Hughes versus Joba (and, in my mind, that’s the debate): Hughes has two legit pitches right now while Joba has three with a coming-along changeup that will make four; Hughes was shaky at best while in the rotation while Joba, aside from his last three starts, has been solid; Hughes was throwing 91-92, touching 94 while in the rotation, then amped it up when he went to the pen, while Joba has been averaging 92-94, touching 96 on good days; Hughes has been far more injury prone than Joba; Hughes, while having wonderful early success in the pen so far, hasn’t shown it over a long stretch, while Joba has, meaning he could be put back in the pen and excel; and Joba is just simply more seasoned at this point.
Trust me, I am a converted Hughes denier and I believe the young man will be very good, but I like Joba more. If it came down to Hughes or Joba, I would part with Hughes first.
Now, here are the two guys I wouldn’t touch: Joba Chamberlain and Jesus Montero.
I just explained my “Joba over Hughes” theory but I think it also needs to be pointed out that Joba, up until three weeks ago, was the most untouchable player on the team and Hughes, a month ago, was so shaky people were questioning what you could get for him on the open market. Only in New York could that change overnight.
Joba has the stuff to not just be good but to be great. You don’t trade that simply because of some bad starts and stupid post-game press conferences.
And Jesus Montero? This kid has the chance to be a Manny Ramirez-type hitter, I honestly believe that, and I don’t think you pass up on that kind of talent.
He is big, he has power, he has patience, and he is only 19. This could be one of the most special players the Yankees have produced in YEARS.
For everyone worried about whether he will be a catcher or not, I have an easy solution: move him to one of the corner outfield spots.
Seriously, the kid is 19 and, from what I have seen, can run a little bit. He doesn’t have to be a DH or a first baseman. Move him there now, let him make his mistakes, then stick him in left field for his career. You already have Cervelli, a great defensive catcher, and Romine, who might be every bit as good with more offensive upside. Put Montero in a position of need. The Yankees don’t have power-hitting outfielders waiting to come up. Make him your Manny Ramirez without the steroids. Don’t let that kind of player go.
I have heard some people suggest that the Yankees “bite the bullet” like the Red Sox did a few years back when they traded Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Couple of points to remember about that: first, Beckett was significantly younger than Halladay is now and had a proven track record in the postseason, something Halladay, who has mostly pitched meaningless games in his life, doesn’t have; second, the Sox didn’t already have some proven pitchers and young studs on the way. I doubt they would make that same trade today, given the depth and talent they have now; finally, the only thing that makes that trade palatable is the fact that the Sox won a championship. What if they had fallen short? Hanley Ramirez has become a superstar. Jesus Montero could be the same way.
Like I said, it doesn’t matter because they aren’t trading in division, if at all, but if I were giving up my players, my only two off limits would be Joba and Jesus.
Hey, we may all know who Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, and Phil Hughes are, but do you think a Blue Jay fan knows, or cares one wink, about those names? If you do, here is a pop quiz: who is the best prospect in Toronto’s system? If you asked the three hard-core Jays fans in Toronto that question, it would roll off the tongue, but damned if I know. So, if the Yankees traded CC Sabathia or Derek Jeter for one of those guys, or even three of them, would it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Of course not.
The Halladay deal is going to be painful for fans no matter what. Trading him in division is like spitting in their face while you’re signing the agreement.
BUT…………….
Alright, let’s play in media fantasy land for a second and say that Toronto would trade Halladay to the Bronx. Who would I be willing to give up in that kinda trade?
Well, let’s lop off some names right off the bat: Jeter, Posada, Teixeira, A-Rod, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Mariano. Those guys are either a.) too old, b.) making too much money, c.) aren’t available, or d.) all of the above. Whichever letter you pick, it means no go.
Two guys who are highly unlikely but just missed making that list are Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher. Cano is young and is tremendously talented, but his inability to hit in the clutch makes him a prime candidate for “can’t handle New York” status once more is asked of him and his easy-going style of play can rub some New Yorkers the wrong way. Problem with trading him to the Jays is this: he is getting paid $42 million and they already have a pretty darn good second baseman in Aaron Hill.
All sides point to no on Cano.
Swisher? Well, again, I highly doubt the Jays would take on his contract and .242 average, but he does have power, is only 28, and can play multiple positions. That makes him more attractive than the other guys, but still a long shot.
No, this comes down to the younger guys who are either already on the team, or expected in the next few years. Of course, if the Blue Jays are worth their weight in gold they know the Yankee system better than I, so I’m sure there are names they know and like that I won’t be mentioning. But at least a few of these guys will HAVE to be included, one would think.
Let’s start with the guys I would ABSOLUTELY be willing to give up in a Halladay deal: Melky Cabrera, Phil Coke, Dave Robertson, Andrew Brackman, Austin Jackson, Zack McAllister, Dellin Betances, Brett Gardner, and Mark Melancon.
I don’t think there is any shocker in there except for Austin Jackson.
First, I buy into Jackson, I really do. I like the kid A LOT. Anyone catch some of the minor’s All Star Game last night? Jackson hit a triple off the right-center field wall that he absolutely crushed. It was an opposite field rocket shot and he was motoring. And, supposedly, he is a very good fielder as well.
I think the power will come, but not in 35-4- range, probably the 20+ range, which is still pretty good for a kid who might steal 40+ bases.
But outfielders are probably the easiest commodity to get on the market and the Yankees have some decent ones already. Save a sweep to the Angels before the break, the Yankees were essentially tied with the Red Sox for the division with an outfield of Brett Gardner, Johnny Damon, Nick Swisher, and Melky Cabrera. You can win with that outfield, although it is, I admit, not ideal.
Plus, if you let Jackson go, you would undoubtedly hang onto Gardner, and I am a big fan of the little man. I think he might be the type of rugged, hustle player the Yankees have been looking for. You need those kinda guys. That, to me, makes Jackson somewhat expendable.
If, for some reason, the Jays want Gardner, than Jackson is your man in center, but you have a surplus there, making him expendable.
Also, while I like the upside of Melancon and am not scared off at all by his poor performances when called up, he is a reliever. You can find, or make, relievers if you have to.
Here are the three guys I would think about but would be VERY reticent to give up: Franscico Cervelli, Austin Romine, and Phil Hughes.
I know, Cervelli probably doesn’t deserve to be on this list considering he hasn’t been touted as a big-time prospect and was only in the majors for a limited time. But you had to be impressed with this young man. He has superior defensive skills and his offensive game was a lot better than I think most people realized. I like him a lot but would probably be willing to part with him, although I admit it would be tough.
Romine is supposedly a more refined catcher than highly touted Jesus Montero and his power numbers are not that far off either. But none of us have ever seen the young man on the big stage and the Yankees are stocked at the catcher position. With so many options (Cervelli, Montero, and young prospects at the lower levels) coming at catcher, giving up Romine would be a possibility.
Now to the big debate.
Here is how I look at Hughes versus Joba (and, in my mind, that’s the debate): Hughes has two legit pitches right now while Joba has three with a coming-along changeup that will make four; Hughes was shaky at best while in the rotation while Joba, aside from his last three starts, has been solid; Hughes was throwing 91-92, touching 94 while in the rotation, then amped it up when he went to the pen, while Joba has been averaging 92-94, touching 96 on good days; Hughes has been far more injury prone than Joba; Hughes, while having wonderful early success in the pen so far, hasn’t shown it over a long stretch, while Joba has, meaning he could be put back in the pen and excel; and Joba is just simply more seasoned at this point.
Trust me, I am a converted Hughes denier and I believe the young man will be very good, but I like Joba more. If it came down to Hughes or Joba, I would part with Hughes first.
Now, here are the two guys I wouldn’t touch: Joba Chamberlain and Jesus Montero.
I just explained my “Joba over Hughes” theory but I think it also needs to be pointed out that Joba, up until three weeks ago, was the most untouchable player on the team and Hughes, a month ago, was so shaky people were questioning what you could get for him on the open market. Only in New York could that change overnight.
Joba has the stuff to not just be good but to be great. You don’t trade that simply because of some bad starts and stupid post-game press conferences.
And Jesus Montero? This kid has the chance to be a Manny Ramirez-type hitter, I honestly believe that, and I don’t think you pass up on that kind of talent.
He is big, he has power, he has patience, and he is only 19. This could be one of the most special players the Yankees have produced in YEARS.
For everyone worried about whether he will be a catcher or not, I have an easy solution: move him to one of the corner outfield spots.
Seriously, the kid is 19 and, from what I have seen, can run a little bit. He doesn’t have to be a DH or a first baseman. Move him there now, let him make his mistakes, then stick him in left field for his career. You already have Cervelli, a great defensive catcher, and Romine, who might be every bit as good with more offensive upside. Put Montero in a position of need. The Yankees don’t have power-hitting outfielders waiting to come up. Make him your Manny Ramirez without the steroids. Don’t let that kind of player go.
I have heard some people suggest that the Yankees “bite the bullet” like the Red Sox did a few years back when they traded Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. Couple of points to remember about that: first, Beckett was significantly younger than Halladay is now and had a proven track record in the postseason, something Halladay, who has mostly pitched meaningless games in his life, doesn’t have; second, the Sox didn’t already have some proven pitchers and young studs on the way. I doubt they would make that same trade today, given the depth and talent they have now; finally, the only thing that makes that trade palatable is the fact that the Sox won a championship. What if they had fallen short? Hanley Ramirez has become a superstar. Jesus Montero could be the same way.
Like I said, it doesn’t matter because they aren’t trading in division, if at all, but if I were giving up my players, my only two off limits would be Joba and Jesus.
Furture is so bright, I gotta wear shades
One of my favorite bits on the old Late Night With Conan O’Brien show, before he went over to the dark side of the Tonight Show was “The Year 200,” where O’Brien and a guest would look into the future.
I know most of us in baseball land see the future as existing only within the next few months, but I thought it would be fun, as we turn our attention to the second half, to look beyond that………all the way to the year 2010.
What will the Yankees look like in another year? Well, here’s what I would like to see when the Yankees begin the 2010 season.
First base: Mark Teixeira — There are gonna be a few pretty obvious names on this list and Tex leads off the bunch. He has been a little more streaky than you would like, starting off horrible, heating up to nuclear levels, then going 90+ at bats without a homer and watching his average fall below .280. But you can already tell that he is good for a .280 - .300 average, 30+ homers, 110+ RBI each year while playing excellent defense. Barring injury, he’ll end up being worth the money.
Second base: Robby Cano — I know we all go hot and cold on Robby, but consider his numbers right now for a second baseman: .308, 13, 46, 61 runs. If he kept up at that pace, he would score 113 runs, drive in 85, and hit 24 dingers. That’s the kinda production from second almost no one else this side of the Phillies and Chase Utley can touch.
Yes, sometimes it seems like he’s watching clouds, or counting his steps to first. Yes, he looks like a freshman on his first day of high school when he comes up with men on. Yes, he tried to bunt being up 3-0 in the count. He aint the sharpest tool in the shed. But, again, where are you finding a second baseman with his talent, his production, at his age? Thank you.
Short stop: Derek Jeter — Hey, anyone notice the old man Jeter is having one of his best years ever? The veteran captain is on pace for over 20 homers (aided by the new Stadium) 30+ steals, 100+ runs scored, and, of course, over 200 hits and a .320+ batting average. Oh, and his defense has been pretty darn good as well.
The rumors of Jeter’s baseball death seem to have been greatly exaggerated.
Third base: Alex Rodriguez — Some days it looks like that $3 billion contract the Yankees gave the man is worth every penny. Other days, it looks destined to be ranked as one of the great financial mistakes not headed by Bernie Madoff. Only time will tell, but this much we do know: A-Rod is gonna be your happy-go-lucky third baseman in the Bronx for a long, long time.
Catcher: Francisco Cervelli — Here is when things get interesting.
Is Cervelli the real deal of Shelley “Shrek” Duncan with a cooler accent? Only time will tell, but you can’t fake that kind of defensive prowess. He has an absolute gun for an arm, and it’s accurate as all hell. He likes throwing behind runners and daring them to try and steal. While I love Posada, as a fan, your heart sinks every time a speedy runner gets on first. With Cervelli, you are almost hoping they try and run. It is sort of like watching a great shot blocker in basketball. You want the other team to go inside as much as possible because you know he is going to regulate that area.
Will he ever be a good enough hitter to make him an every day catcher in the league? I think so.
Look, he isn’t going to be Jorge Posada. Few catchers are. Jorge has quietly amassed a Hall of Fame-caliber career and is an elite offensive player. Cervelli won’t be that, but could he hit .260+ with a few homers, few RBI? Sure, why not? He essentially did that while up with the club before.
With this offense, you should be able to have a great defensive catcher play everyday as long as he is solid offensively. I think Cervelli will hit more than enough to justify his spot on the team.
Right field: Alex Rios — The Yankees need a corner outfielder with pop. The Blue Jays are going to be looking to dump payroll and no one is going to take Vernon Wells. The Yankees’ tenuous situation in the starting rotation right now makes a deadline trade for a bat unlikely as their offense is flying, but in the off season, why not put together a deal for Rios? He’s 28, has a gun for an arm, plays virtually every day, steals 20+ bases, and has pop, which should only be more useful in the new stadium. Plus, while in Toronto he is expected to be a great player, in New York he would be able to fit in a little neater. If he hits 22 homers and drives in 85 RBI for the Jays, he is a disappointment. Ironically, in the ever-harsh atmosphere of Yankee Stadium, those numbers would be perfectly acceptable.
I look at Rios and I see the Yankee answer to Jason Bay and, because he is owed a good chunk of change, I don’t think the Bombers would be forced to give up HUGE prospects to get him.
Center field: Brett Gardner — He’s spunky, he’s gritty, and he is exactly what the Yankees have needed now for a while. Gardner, after working out the kinks early in the season, has become the type of hitter the Yankees were hoping for. He’ll bat .280 because, well, he’ll beat some plays out and get enough in the gaps to create some pain for other teams. He puts extreme pressure on the opposition’s defense. I can think of a few times (the Alex Cora wide throw to second) where his speed was a major reason for an important error. And, given a full season, he’ll steal 40-60 bases, guaranteed (I’m not sure he has even learned HOW to steal as of yet).
He has a Chad Pennington arm in center, but he catches up to balls and is taking much better routes now than early in the season. And he is fearless.
You win with players like him on the team, and they need that.
Left field: Jesus Montero — This one is actually right out of left field, but I think this young man is going to be special. He destroyed A-ball, was moved up to AA, had about a week’s worth of adjusting, and is now destroying that league as well. He’ll be in AAA in another few weeks and then, after that, why not the majors? Everyone is so worried about “rushing” kids, but if Montero is as special as he seems, why not bring him up and let him learn at this level?
Now, about the position change: Montero is a catcher, but he is a big, big kid and, while he has a gun for an arm, he evidently isn’t making Johnny Bench sweat. The Yankees have Gardner, Austin Jackson, and Melky Cabrera as good outfield options (Jackson and Gardner could potentially be exceptional) but they are all center fielders with little power. Montero has the power to be a corner outfielder easily. And since the Yankees are (surprisingly) stacked at the catcher position (Cervelli and Austin Romine), moving him would make the most sense.
Montero should be moved by the end of this year and then allowed to play winter ball as an outfielder. By next season he should be ready and, if not, a month or two extra in the minors, as someone holds down his spot (Melky?) should be just fine.
DH: Jorge Posada — I know he won’t want to do it but Posada needs to be moved to the DH spot by next season for two very good reasons: 1.) he’s not a good defensive catcher anymore and there are MUCH better options in the system and, 2.) Posada is far too valuable offensively and he needs to be rested more than he is now.
Posada at the DH spot would be allowed to focus solely on hitting and, since he hasn’t shown any signs of slowing down with the bat, his numbers should remain consistent, even at his elevated age.
There is a far better chance that Posada remains an offensive force for the next two years of his contract if he is moved to DH than if he insists on staying behind the plate.
Take a cue from your coach Jorge and help one of the new kids move into the role.
Bench: Melky Cabrera, Austine Romine, Ramiro Pena, Nick Swisher.
Starting rotation, #1 spot: CC Sabathia — He’s a horse who will only pitch better the second half than the first. You would have liked to see him step up in two specific spots this first half (third game against Boston at Fenway and third game against Angels in Anaheim, both to stave off sweeps) but, overall, you can see why the Yankees paid him what they did. Look for big things second half and next year when he is more comfortable.
Starting rotation, #2: AJ Burnett — Has been on a roll since losing to Boston and has the best stuff on the team. When he is going right, he is virtually unhittable. The question is, can he stay healthy and avoid meltdown games?
Starting rotation, #3: Joba Chamberlain — I am going out on a limb and saying that, by this time next year Joba will be your bona fide #3 starter. First, he doesn’t get traded. Second, he turns it around in the second half and pitches better. Third, by this time next year he will have had a full season under his belt and have matured. He’ll be your man next year, making for a deadline 1-2-3 in the rotation.
Starting rotation, #4: Erik Bedard — I know people don’t like him as a person, and he is an injury risk, but it is the reason the Yankees will be able to get him on the cheap and slip him into the rotation. If he stays healthy, the Yanks have a steal, as he has the ability to be one of the best lefties in the game. He is also only 30, meaning he has a chance to turn his last two years around and pitch for a long time. Upside? Very up. Downside? He breaks down. But, by next year, some of your younger pitchers, like Zack McAllister and (gulp) Ian Kennedy, along with Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances, should be closer to making a contribution.
Starting rotation, #5: Phil Hughes — If everyone pitches as expected, he’ll be allowed to grow into the job and the experience he is gaining in the pen right now will prove to be invaluable.
Bullpen, closer: Mariano Rivera — You have a better chance of winning powerball 5 straight weeks than you do in predicting when Rivera will slow down.
Bullpen, rest: Phil Coke, Brian Bruney, Alfredo Aceves, Damaso Marte, Mark Melancon, BJ Ryan.
This is how you do a pen, you pull guys off the scrap heap. Ryan was really, really bad for the Blue Jays this year, but last year, in 60 innings, he was great. In fact, other than this year, when he has been healthy he has been great. Can he stay healthy? That’s a question, but it won’t cost you anything to find out, and if he ever got some of that electric stuff back, how good with that bullpen be?
I know most of us in baseball land see the future as existing only within the next few months, but I thought it would be fun, as we turn our attention to the second half, to look beyond that………all the way to the year 2010.
What will the Yankees look like in another year? Well, here’s what I would like to see when the Yankees begin the 2010 season.
First base: Mark Teixeira — There are gonna be a few pretty obvious names on this list and Tex leads off the bunch. He has been a little more streaky than you would like, starting off horrible, heating up to nuclear levels, then going 90+ at bats without a homer and watching his average fall below .280. But you can already tell that he is good for a .280 - .300 average, 30+ homers, 110+ RBI each year while playing excellent defense. Barring injury, he’ll end up being worth the money.
Second base: Robby Cano — I know we all go hot and cold on Robby, but consider his numbers right now for a second baseman: .308, 13, 46, 61 runs. If he kept up at that pace, he would score 113 runs, drive in 85, and hit 24 dingers. That’s the kinda production from second almost no one else this side of the Phillies and Chase Utley can touch.
Yes, sometimes it seems like he’s watching clouds, or counting his steps to first. Yes, he looks like a freshman on his first day of high school when he comes up with men on. Yes, he tried to bunt being up 3-0 in the count. He aint the sharpest tool in the shed. But, again, where are you finding a second baseman with his talent, his production, at his age? Thank you.
Short stop: Derek Jeter — Hey, anyone notice the old man Jeter is having one of his best years ever? The veteran captain is on pace for over 20 homers (aided by the new Stadium) 30+ steals, 100+ runs scored, and, of course, over 200 hits and a .320+ batting average. Oh, and his defense has been pretty darn good as well.
The rumors of Jeter’s baseball death seem to have been greatly exaggerated.
Third base: Alex Rodriguez — Some days it looks like that $3 billion contract the Yankees gave the man is worth every penny. Other days, it looks destined to be ranked as one of the great financial mistakes not headed by Bernie Madoff. Only time will tell, but this much we do know: A-Rod is gonna be your happy-go-lucky third baseman in the Bronx for a long, long time.
Catcher: Francisco Cervelli — Here is when things get interesting.
Is Cervelli the real deal of Shelley “Shrek” Duncan with a cooler accent? Only time will tell, but you can’t fake that kind of defensive prowess. He has an absolute gun for an arm, and it’s accurate as all hell. He likes throwing behind runners and daring them to try and steal. While I love Posada, as a fan, your heart sinks every time a speedy runner gets on first. With Cervelli, you are almost hoping they try and run. It is sort of like watching a great shot blocker in basketball. You want the other team to go inside as much as possible because you know he is going to regulate that area.
Will he ever be a good enough hitter to make him an every day catcher in the league? I think so.
Look, he isn’t going to be Jorge Posada. Few catchers are. Jorge has quietly amassed a Hall of Fame-caliber career and is an elite offensive player. Cervelli won’t be that, but could he hit .260+ with a few homers, few RBI? Sure, why not? He essentially did that while up with the club before.
With this offense, you should be able to have a great defensive catcher play everyday as long as he is solid offensively. I think Cervelli will hit more than enough to justify his spot on the team.
Right field: Alex Rios — The Yankees need a corner outfielder with pop. The Blue Jays are going to be looking to dump payroll and no one is going to take Vernon Wells. The Yankees’ tenuous situation in the starting rotation right now makes a deadline trade for a bat unlikely as their offense is flying, but in the off season, why not put together a deal for Rios? He’s 28, has a gun for an arm, plays virtually every day, steals 20+ bases, and has pop, which should only be more useful in the new stadium. Plus, while in Toronto he is expected to be a great player, in New York he would be able to fit in a little neater. If he hits 22 homers and drives in 85 RBI for the Jays, he is a disappointment. Ironically, in the ever-harsh atmosphere of Yankee Stadium, those numbers would be perfectly acceptable.
I look at Rios and I see the Yankee answer to Jason Bay and, because he is owed a good chunk of change, I don’t think the Bombers would be forced to give up HUGE prospects to get him.
Center field: Brett Gardner — He’s spunky, he’s gritty, and he is exactly what the Yankees have needed now for a while. Gardner, after working out the kinks early in the season, has become the type of hitter the Yankees were hoping for. He’ll bat .280 because, well, he’ll beat some plays out and get enough in the gaps to create some pain for other teams. He puts extreme pressure on the opposition’s defense. I can think of a few times (the Alex Cora wide throw to second) where his speed was a major reason for an important error. And, given a full season, he’ll steal 40-60 bases, guaranteed (I’m not sure he has even learned HOW to steal as of yet).
He has a Chad Pennington arm in center, but he catches up to balls and is taking much better routes now than early in the season. And he is fearless.
You win with players like him on the team, and they need that.
Left field: Jesus Montero — This one is actually right out of left field, but I think this young man is going to be special. He destroyed A-ball, was moved up to AA, had about a week’s worth of adjusting, and is now destroying that league as well. He’ll be in AAA in another few weeks and then, after that, why not the majors? Everyone is so worried about “rushing” kids, but if Montero is as special as he seems, why not bring him up and let him learn at this level?
Now, about the position change: Montero is a catcher, but he is a big, big kid and, while he has a gun for an arm, he evidently isn’t making Johnny Bench sweat. The Yankees have Gardner, Austin Jackson, and Melky Cabrera as good outfield options (Jackson and Gardner could potentially be exceptional) but they are all center fielders with little power. Montero has the power to be a corner outfielder easily. And since the Yankees are (surprisingly) stacked at the catcher position (Cervelli and Austin Romine), moving him would make the most sense.
Montero should be moved by the end of this year and then allowed to play winter ball as an outfielder. By next season he should be ready and, if not, a month or two extra in the minors, as someone holds down his spot (Melky?) should be just fine.
DH: Jorge Posada — I know he won’t want to do it but Posada needs to be moved to the DH spot by next season for two very good reasons: 1.) he’s not a good defensive catcher anymore and there are MUCH better options in the system and, 2.) Posada is far too valuable offensively and he needs to be rested more than he is now.
Posada at the DH spot would be allowed to focus solely on hitting and, since he hasn’t shown any signs of slowing down with the bat, his numbers should remain consistent, even at his elevated age.
There is a far better chance that Posada remains an offensive force for the next two years of his contract if he is moved to DH than if he insists on staying behind the plate.
Take a cue from your coach Jorge and help one of the new kids move into the role.
Bench: Melky Cabrera, Austine Romine, Ramiro Pena, Nick Swisher.
Starting rotation, #1 spot: CC Sabathia — He’s a horse who will only pitch better the second half than the first. You would have liked to see him step up in two specific spots this first half (third game against Boston at Fenway and third game against Angels in Anaheim, both to stave off sweeps) but, overall, you can see why the Yankees paid him what they did. Look for big things second half and next year when he is more comfortable.
Starting rotation, #2: AJ Burnett — Has been on a roll since losing to Boston and has the best stuff on the team. When he is going right, he is virtually unhittable. The question is, can he stay healthy and avoid meltdown games?
Starting rotation, #3: Joba Chamberlain — I am going out on a limb and saying that, by this time next year Joba will be your bona fide #3 starter. First, he doesn’t get traded. Second, he turns it around in the second half and pitches better. Third, by this time next year he will have had a full season under his belt and have matured. He’ll be your man next year, making for a deadline 1-2-3 in the rotation.
Starting rotation, #4: Erik Bedard — I know people don’t like him as a person, and he is an injury risk, but it is the reason the Yankees will be able to get him on the cheap and slip him into the rotation. If he stays healthy, the Yanks have a steal, as he has the ability to be one of the best lefties in the game. He is also only 30, meaning he has a chance to turn his last two years around and pitch for a long time. Upside? Very up. Downside? He breaks down. But, by next year, some of your younger pitchers, like Zack McAllister and (gulp) Ian Kennedy, along with Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances, should be closer to making a contribution.
Starting rotation, #5: Phil Hughes — If everyone pitches as expected, he’ll be allowed to grow into the job and the experience he is gaining in the pen right now will prove to be invaluable.
Bullpen, closer: Mariano Rivera — You have a better chance of winning powerball 5 straight weeks than you do in predicting when Rivera will slow down.
Bullpen, rest: Phil Coke, Brian Bruney, Alfredo Aceves, Damaso Marte, Mark Melancon, BJ Ryan.
This is how you do a pen, you pull guys off the scrap heap. Ryan was really, really bad for the Blue Jays this year, but last year, in 60 innings, he was great. In fact, other than this year, when he has been healthy he has been great. Can he stay healthy? That’s a question, but it won’t cost you anything to find out, and if he ever got some of that electric stuff back, how good with that bullpen be?
Sunday, July 12
So what does this team need now?????
Alright, I get that the actual, numerical mid-point of the season came a few days ago. There are more games behind us than ahead of us here in the 2009 season. We all get it. Let's move on.
Because, really, the All Star break is the mid-point of the season in terms of assessment. By this time, a lot of the pretenders have fallen away, a lot of the contenders have established themselves in the race, and most importantly, everyone should have, by now, assessed their needs.
The Yankees are significantly better than they were last year and, before the last two games in Anaheim, were rolling along, looking like world beaters. The Angels have a tendency to change that view for the Yankees, but it still doesn't change the fact that the first half for the Yankees was a successful one.
So, what do the Yankees need to take the next step? I have put together a small list of needs and possible ways to fill those needs.
*Win Today Baby!!!!!!!!!!!
The Red Sox are going to win this afternoon. They just are. The Royals are impossible to respect. They just don't seem to compete. So, a win today, with CC Sabathia on the mound, would keep the Yankees 2 games out going into the break, prevent a 3-game sweep where the team legitimately could have won the first two, and would right the ship before a little vacation.
*Get the hell out of Anaheim.
Is there a place in baseball Yankee fans hate more than Anaheim? My God, it is a house of horrors, it really is. If the Yankees get the win, they should sprint to the plane and give the pilot extra to speed out of that area. Just horrid.
*Address the rotation with real solutions.
This has become the biggest problem area for the team, no question, and the the pivot point remains Chien Mien Wang. Coming into the season there was some question as to whether Wang or AJ Burnett would actually be considered the team's number two pitcher. Burnett's stuff is electric but Wang's consistency and resume suggested he was deserving of such accolades.
At the break, Wang's entire season is in jeopardy and, even if he were to return from the DL healthy, his shaky-at-best first half makes him a real question mark. That means that one spot in the rotation, right now, is in complete limbo. Alfredo Aceves, in my opinion, is needed in the bullpen, you don't want to touch Kei Igawa with a 20-foot pole, and unless someone has been really, realy wrong on the future for Sergio Mitre (which is always a possibility) he doesn't seem to be a long-term answer for this team either.
What makes the conversation even more tricky is that Joba Chamberlain and Andy Pettitte have both been experiencing recent struggles. But, in all honesty, what can you do with either one? You aren't gonna move Phil Hughes into the rotation and move out Joba. Why? First, because Joba still, despite his troubles and his surreal post-game press conferences where he seems to be in the beginning stages of true denial, deserves more of a chance to struggle through and prove himself as a starter. Seventeen starts this season isn't enough of a sampling and his recent struggles shouldn't overshadown the fact that, for the most part this year, he has been pretty good. If he can get back to what he was a month ago, he will be valuable to the Yankees.
Second, there is no guarantee that Hughes would be significantly better than Joba in the rotation. It wasn't like the youngster was coming off three shutouts when he was moved to the rotation. Third, Hughes is finally, for the first time since that game in Texas in 07, showing the type of stuff and ability that had the Yankees refusing to trade him for Johan Santana a few years ago. Do you really want to ping-pong this kid back and forth and threaten his arm? Fourth, Joba, right now, has a problem with his control, with his velocity, and with the big inning. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success in the pen. Whatever is ailing him right now, it is foolish to think it would be solved by a move to the pen. His lack of control and lack-luster velocity could make him a liability at the end of close games. Fifth, and finally, moving Joba doesn't solve the other two problems, so why do it?
If Wang can't come back and Pettitte remains this inconsistent, the Yankees will need to make a move for a pitcher.
Who?
Forget, and I mean FORGET, Roy Halladay. I don't think they are moving him in Toronto anyway, but if they did they aren't sending him packing to a team that would show up in their home ballpark 9 or 10 times a year. Cliff Lee? The Indians would probably be willing to move him for a steep price and it is hard for me to believe that Brian Cashman, who two years ago wouldn't part with Hughes for Santana or Ian Kennedy for Dan Haren, would be willing to give up a lot for an older Cliff Lee.
No, I think, if the Yankees were going to make a trade for the starter, it would be in the vein of a Jon Garland, who has pitched well over his last 6 starts for the Diamondbacks. Some other notables who might be available come the end of the month:
Jason Marquis, Colorado: The Rockies recent resurgence might mean Marquis is off the market, but if not, he has the type of stuff the Yankees could use (sinker) and has pitched in the Rockies, so the new launching pad in the Bronx wouldn't be a shock to the system to the 30-year old righty. However, it might take more to get him than some other, more expensive options.
Erick Bedard, Mariners: Here are the positives - Bedard is a hard-throwing lefty, he has pitched, and pitched well, in the AL East before, he has top-quality stuff, and after a terribly disappointing year last year he has been very good this year, pitching to a 2.58 ERA, 73 strikeouts in 69 innings, and only allowing 56 hits. Here are the negatives - he has already spent time on the DL this year after an injury plagued season last year, he is 30 so, while not old by any means, he isn't a kid, and perhaps most disturbing, no one seems to like the guy. His "character" issues seem to be very real.
But, he does have a large contract and the Mariners might be willing to take less to get him off the team. If the Yankees could find a reason to believe Bedard is not as bad a guy as some have painted him, it might make for a great trade for the team as Bedard, when right, can be as good as anyone.
Jonathan Sanchez, Giants: Sanchez is a lefty, has great stuff, is only 26, and just threw a no-hitter. But Sanchez's no-no only helped him lower his ERA to 4.68, so it isn't as if Sanchez has been a show stopper this entire season. The Giants might ask for more, in terms of a potential bat, for Sanchez now that he threw the no-no than they would have before, but it is still likely that the price wouldn't be all that high. Erik Hinske is looking pretty good right now, isn't he? How about Hinske, Juan Miranda, and a throw in for Sanchez. I would do that trade. Would the Giants? Perhaps. Would Sanchez be better than what the Yankees have now? If nothing else, it would give them yet another live lefty arm that is under 30. If he ever figured it out for the Yanks, it could potentially be a steal.
*Let's look at the outfield, please.
The offense has been fine, but I am still very wary of running Nick Swisher and Melky Cabrera out there on a day-in and day-out basis. I think Swisher would be best suited as a part-time player - someone with some pop off the bench, who can play all outfield positions and, when needed, first base. Melky could be used as trade bait now that he has played well enough to, I'm sure, raise some team's interest, and the Yankees could really use someone in right field that would be a fixture. Swisher's defense is shaky at best and Melky just doesn't hit for enough power, in an outfield devoid of power when Swisher sits, to constitute more playing time.
Who would work for the Yankees?
Vernon Well, Toronto: I know, I know........Wells contract is HUGE. I get that. But what if the Yankees could convince the Jays to eat SOME of the contract? For instance, Wells right now will be owed $98.5 million over the length of his contract (through 2014). Would the Jays be willing to pick up $40 million? Would that be enough to make a trade worth it for the Yankees? That would essentially mean the Yankees would be paying $58.5 million for Wells for 5 years. That averages out to about $11.7 million per year. For the Jays, that would average out to around $8 million per year. Would they be willing to do that, considering that, right now, they would be paying Wells an average of $19.7 million over the next five years.
Here is why I would consider making the deal: He is only 30 years old, which means he isn't near the end of his career; he is a very good defensive player and, at this point, could be moved to right field where he would be an elite corner outfield defender; last year, in 108 games, he hit 20 homers and drove in 78 RBI, while this year he is on pace for 16 homers and 68 RBI, 20+ steals and 41 doubles; he is only 2 1/2 years removed from a 32 homer, 106 RBI season; if you take into account the way the ball jumps out of Yankee Stadium, his power numbers might jump; because of his salary, even if the Blue Jays ate some of the contract, he would essentially cost no major prospects.
Is it worth the money to take on a great defensive player, good clubhouse guy, only 30 years old, who could still have special years ahead of him?
I know it aint my money but it could be worth the risk, and since the Yankees seem to be adverse to giving up their prospects, money deals are what they will be left with.
Probably won't happen, but worth the discussion.
Alex Rios, Toronto: I am a big fan of Rios and this is probably more doeable than the Wells idea I had. Rios is 28, a very good right fielder, has always killed the Yankees, steals some bases, hits for a decent amount of power, and is getting paid top dollar while only producing at a second-tier level. Rios is owed another $6o million by the Blue Jays, meaning they would look at this as a salary dump more than anything.
The problem with this is simple: Rios is younger than Wells, probably at this point a little better, and is owed less money. That means that more teams will be in on any potential deal. While it is fiscally smarter to try and trade for Rios, Wells would only cost you money. Plus, with more teams involved in Rios, it is likely the Jays would choose to trade him outta devision, whereas Wells could probably be had by anyone who showed some serious interest.
Matt Holliday, Oakland: Holliday can be had and everyone knows it. However, how good is Holliday anyway? For instance, if you're the Yankees, why wouldn't you go after Wells as opposed to Holliday? Look at what he has done this year away from Colorado: .276, 8, 43, .373, .419.
Wells' numbers are every bit as good, and he's only a year older. Yet, everyone assumes Holliday is in line for a huge pay day, courtesy of being a Boras client, and some have even suggested the yankees will be bidders for his services. Why?
I would avoid Holliday at all costs.
David DeJesus, Kansas City: He's a New York native, good defender, having a bad year. He isn't gonna hit for a lot of power but he'll do the little things to help a team win.
Ryan Garko, Cleveland Indians: Garko is the team's first baseman right now, but he has played 11 games this year in the outfield and made one error while out there. I can't speak intelligently about how good Garko is or can be in the outfield, but the Indians have soured on the 28-year old and he might be easily gettable.
He has more power, has a good eye, and doesn't strike out a lot. It might be worth a shot.
*More Brett Gardner, please.
Gardner appears to be entrenched in center field right now, but in the ever changing world of Joe Girardi you never, ever know. The speedy Gardner is a better defensive player than Melky and he makes more things happen with his legs. Melky has more pop and a better arm, but neither advantage is so pronounced that it should give him playing time over Melky.
I think Cabrera might be a valuable fourth outfielder on the team and, if the right deal came along, could be someone's center fielder, but Gardner brings more and should be allowed to show that for the rest of the season.
Because, really, the All Star break is the mid-point of the season in terms of assessment. By this time, a lot of the pretenders have fallen away, a lot of the contenders have established themselves in the race, and most importantly, everyone should have, by now, assessed their needs.
The Yankees are significantly better than they were last year and, before the last two games in Anaheim, were rolling along, looking like world beaters. The Angels have a tendency to change that view for the Yankees, but it still doesn't change the fact that the first half for the Yankees was a successful one.
So, what do the Yankees need to take the next step? I have put together a small list of needs and possible ways to fill those needs.
*Win Today Baby!!!!!!!!!!!
The Red Sox are going to win this afternoon. They just are. The Royals are impossible to respect. They just don't seem to compete. So, a win today, with CC Sabathia on the mound, would keep the Yankees 2 games out going into the break, prevent a 3-game sweep where the team legitimately could have won the first two, and would right the ship before a little vacation.
*Get the hell out of Anaheim.
Is there a place in baseball Yankee fans hate more than Anaheim? My God, it is a house of horrors, it really is. If the Yankees get the win, they should sprint to the plane and give the pilot extra to speed out of that area. Just horrid.
*Address the rotation with real solutions.
This has become the biggest problem area for the team, no question, and the the pivot point remains Chien Mien Wang. Coming into the season there was some question as to whether Wang or AJ Burnett would actually be considered the team's number two pitcher. Burnett's stuff is electric but Wang's consistency and resume suggested he was deserving of such accolades.
At the break, Wang's entire season is in jeopardy and, even if he were to return from the DL healthy, his shaky-at-best first half makes him a real question mark. That means that one spot in the rotation, right now, is in complete limbo. Alfredo Aceves, in my opinion, is needed in the bullpen, you don't want to touch Kei Igawa with a 20-foot pole, and unless someone has been really, realy wrong on the future for Sergio Mitre (which is always a possibility) he doesn't seem to be a long-term answer for this team either.
What makes the conversation even more tricky is that Joba Chamberlain and Andy Pettitte have both been experiencing recent struggles. But, in all honesty, what can you do with either one? You aren't gonna move Phil Hughes into the rotation and move out Joba. Why? First, because Joba still, despite his troubles and his surreal post-game press conferences where he seems to be in the beginning stages of true denial, deserves more of a chance to struggle through and prove himself as a starter. Seventeen starts this season isn't enough of a sampling and his recent struggles shouldn't overshadown the fact that, for the most part this year, he has been pretty good. If he can get back to what he was a month ago, he will be valuable to the Yankees.
Second, there is no guarantee that Hughes would be significantly better than Joba in the rotation. It wasn't like the youngster was coming off three shutouts when he was moved to the rotation. Third, Hughes is finally, for the first time since that game in Texas in 07, showing the type of stuff and ability that had the Yankees refusing to trade him for Johan Santana a few years ago. Do you really want to ping-pong this kid back and forth and threaten his arm? Fourth, Joba, right now, has a problem with his control, with his velocity, and with the big inning. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success in the pen. Whatever is ailing him right now, it is foolish to think it would be solved by a move to the pen. His lack of control and lack-luster velocity could make him a liability at the end of close games. Fifth, and finally, moving Joba doesn't solve the other two problems, so why do it?
If Wang can't come back and Pettitte remains this inconsistent, the Yankees will need to make a move for a pitcher.
Who?
Forget, and I mean FORGET, Roy Halladay. I don't think they are moving him in Toronto anyway, but if they did they aren't sending him packing to a team that would show up in their home ballpark 9 or 10 times a year. Cliff Lee? The Indians would probably be willing to move him for a steep price and it is hard for me to believe that Brian Cashman, who two years ago wouldn't part with Hughes for Santana or Ian Kennedy for Dan Haren, would be willing to give up a lot for an older Cliff Lee.
No, I think, if the Yankees were going to make a trade for the starter, it would be in the vein of a Jon Garland, who has pitched well over his last 6 starts for the Diamondbacks. Some other notables who might be available come the end of the month:
Jason Marquis, Colorado: The Rockies recent resurgence might mean Marquis is off the market, but if not, he has the type of stuff the Yankees could use (sinker) and has pitched in the Rockies, so the new launching pad in the Bronx wouldn't be a shock to the system to the 30-year old righty. However, it might take more to get him than some other, more expensive options.
Erick Bedard, Mariners: Here are the positives - Bedard is a hard-throwing lefty, he has pitched, and pitched well, in the AL East before, he has top-quality stuff, and after a terribly disappointing year last year he has been very good this year, pitching to a 2.58 ERA, 73 strikeouts in 69 innings, and only allowing 56 hits. Here are the negatives - he has already spent time on the DL this year after an injury plagued season last year, he is 30 so, while not old by any means, he isn't a kid, and perhaps most disturbing, no one seems to like the guy. His "character" issues seem to be very real.
But, he does have a large contract and the Mariners might be willing to take less to get him off the team. If the Yankees could find a reason to believe Bedard is not as bad a guy as some have painted him, it might make for a great trade for the team as Bedard, when right, can be as good as anyone.
Jonathan Sanchez, Giants: Sanchez is a lefty, has great stuff, is only 26, and just threw a no-hitter. But Sanchez's no-no only helped him lower his ERA to 4.68, so it isn't as if Sanchez has been a show stopper this entire season. The Giants might ask for more, in terms of a potential bat, for Sanchez now that he threw the no-no than they would have before, but it is still likely that the price wouldn't be all that high. Erik Hinske is looking pretty good right now, isn't he? How about Hinske, Juan Miranda, and a throw in for Sanchez. I would do that trade. Would the Giants? Perhaps. Would Sanchez be better than what the Yankees have now? If nothing else, it would give them yet another live lefty arm that is under 30. If he ever figured it out for the Yanks, it could potentially be a steal.
*Let's look at the outfield, please.
The offense has been fine, but I am still very wary of running Nick Swisher and Melky Cabrera out there on a day-in and day-out basis. I think Swisher would be best suited as a part-time player - someone with some pop off the bench, who can play all outfield positions and, when needed, first base. Melky could be used as trade bait now that he has played well enough to, I'm sure, raise some team's interest, and the Yankees could really use someone in right field that would be a fixture. Swisher's defense is shaky at best and Melky just doesn't hit for enough power, in an outfield devoid of power when Swisher sits, to constitute more playing time.
Who would work for the Yankees?
Vernon Well, Toronto: I know, I know........Wells contract is HUGE. I get that. But what if the Yankees could convince the Jays to eat SOME of the contract? For instance, Wells right now will be owed $98.5 million over the length of his contract (through 2014). Would the Jays be willing to pick up $40 million? Would that be enough to make a trade worth it for the Yankees? That would essentially mean the Yankees would be paying $58.5 million for Wells for 5 years. That averages out to about $11.7 million per year. For the Jays, that would average out to around $8 million per year. Would they be willing to do that, considering that, right now, they would be paying Wells an average of $19.7 million over the next five years.
Here is why I would consider making the deal: He is only 30 years old, which means he isn't near the end of his career; he is a very good defensive player and, at this point, could be moved to right field where he would be an elite corner outfield defender; last year, in 108 games, he hit 20 homers and drove in 78 RBI, while this year he is on pace for 16 homers and 68 RBI, 20+ steals and 41 doubles; he is only 2 1/2 years removed from a 32 homer, 106 RBI season; if you take into account the way the ball jumps out of Yankee Stadium, his power numbers might jump; because of his salary, even if the Blue Jays ate some of the contract, he would essentially cost no major prospects.
Is it worth the money to take on a great defensive player, good clubhouse guy, only 30 years old, who could still have special years ahead of him?
I know it aint my money but it could be worth the risk, and since the Yankees seem to be adverse to giving up their prospects, money deals are what they will be left with.
Probably won't happen, but worth the discussion.
Alex Rios, Toronto: I am a big fan of Rios and this is probably more doeable than the Wells idea I had. Rios is 28, a very good right fielder, has always killed the Yankees, steals some bases, hits for a decent amount of power, and is getting paid top dollar while only producing at a second-tier level. Rios is owed another $6o million by the Blue Jays, meaning they would look at this as a salary dump more than anything.
The problem with this is simple: Rios is younger than Wells, probably at this point a little better, and is owed less money. That means that more teams will be in on any potential deal. While it is fiscally smarter to try and trade for Rios, Wells would only cost you money. Plus, with more teams involved in Rios, it is likely the Jays would choose to trade him outta devision, whereas Wells could probably be had by anyone who showed some serious interest.
Matt Holliday, Oakland: Holliday can be had and everyone knows it. However, how good is Holliday anyway? For instance, if you're the Yankees, why wouldn't you go after Wells as opposed to Holliday? Look at what he has done this year away from Colorado: .276, 8, 43, .373, .419.
Wells' numbers are every bit as good, and he's only a year older. Yet, everyone assumes Holliday is in line for a huge pay day, courtesy of being a Boras client, and some have even suggested the yankees will be bidders for his services. Why?
I would avoid Holliday at all costs.
David DeJesus, Kansas City: He's a New York native, good defender, having a bad year. He isn't gonna hit for a lot of power but he'll do the little things to help a team win.
Ryan Garko, Cleveland Indians: Garko is the team's first baseman right now, but he has played 11 games this year in the outfield and made one error while out there. I can't speak intelligently about how good Garko is or can be in the outfield, but the Indians have soured on the 28-year old and he might be easily gettable.
He has more power, has a good eye, and doesn't strike out a lot. It might be worth a shot.
*More Brett Gardner, please.
Gardner appears to be entrenched in center field right now, but in the ever changing world of Joe Girardi you never, ever know. The speedy Gardner is a better defensive player than Melky and he makes more things happen with his legs. Melky has more pop and a better arm, but neither advantage is so pronounced that it should give him playing time over Melky.
I think Cabrera might be a valuable fourth outfielder on the team and, if the right deal came along, could be someone's center fielder, but Gardner brings more and should be allowed to show that for the rest of the season.
Saturday, July 4
So now what?????
Just as I write that the Yankees needed to committ to Chien Mien Wang for the year, he goes and gets himself hurt. In case you missed it today, Wang left in the sixth inning with what is being called "shoulder strain," which seems a lot more ominous than the usual "shoulder stiffness" or other initial, "get the press off my ass" releases.
Who knows, maybe the Yankees give Wang an MRI, everything looks good, and the righty is back on the hill in 5 days. Or maybe Wang is about to take a long, extended turn on the DL (remember, he has had shoulder surgery and missed almost the entire second half of the season in 05 with shoulder problems).
So, let's play doctor for a second and say Wang has seen his last turn in the rotation for a long, long time. What do the Yankees do?
Option 1: Move Phil Hughes back into the rotation.
This would seem to be the most likely and logical choice. Hughes had pitched okay before being removed from the rotation in the beginning of June. He had pitched a gem against Texas, going 8 innings of shutout baseball, and had gone 5 innings, giving up 4 runs and striking out 6 against the Indians on May 31, his last start. Not nearly as impressive as he has been since going to the pen, but serviceable none the less, and his start against Texas showed the flash of brilliance the Yankees have been looking for.
Of all possible internal options the Yankees have, moving Hughes back to the rotation would seem to have the most upside and possibilty for big gains.
The downside?
For one, Hughes has been utterly dominate since moving to the pen, and he is as big a reason why that part of the team has gone from a minus to a plus. Hughes, Coke, Bruney (when healthy), Aceves, and even the talented yet still learning Dave Robertson, really give the Yanks a lot of different looks and a lot of quality to play with. If you remove Hughes, it creates a void that isn't easily solveable.
The second thing is that Hughes would join Joba in the rotation, creating a scenario where the Yankees would have two young, inexperienced hurlers on pitch and innings limits going every five days. That could ultimately put a lot of strain on your bullpen and a lot of pressure on your top three pitchers to ALWAYS give quality and length. Will Hughes be able to translate his stuff and confidence from the pen to the rotation? If so, it's a no brainer. If not, it creates problems all over the Yankee pitching landscape.
Option 2: Keep Hughes in the pen and move Aceves to the rotation.
Alfredo Aceves has been a starter his entire professional career. In the few spot starts he made last year he looked pretty good. There is no reason to believe he would not be a competent starter for the Yanks.
Here are the drawback: like Hughes, it moving Aceves would hurt the pen. Granted, Aceves has been pushed back a bit since Hughes' arrival, but he is still very valuable and very much trusted out there by Girardi. Also, Aceves has never pitched consistently as a starter at the major league level. You have no idea what you would get from him every fifth day. Finally, as nice a pitcher as Aceves is, he does not give the Yankees the type of upside that Hughes does. His stuff just isn't electric enough.
Option 3: Leave Hughes in pen and trade for another starter.
You could do this. The Yankees have some trade chips to put out there for possible consumption. They have some nice young arms. The Yankees could try to pull off a deal for a mid-level pitcher. Maybe you're not getting Cliff Lee or Roy Oswalt, but maybe you can swing a deal for a Jonathan Sanchez? Not that I would be in favor of Sanchez (a 5 ERA in the NL West doesn't bode well for the AL East) but that is an option at this point for the team.
Problem with that? It costs money and talent for someone that might not make the difference between winning and losing. Want to take on Barry Zito's contract and his 5 ERA? Want to try and put together a trade for Jake Peavy and give up the king's ransom it would take to get him?
Maybe this makes sense if you can pry a Zach Duke away from the Pirates for prospects, but other than that it seems like a last resort for the Yanks.
Option 4: Trade for a pitcher, move Hughes back to the rotation, move Joba to the pen.
I figured I would throw this out there because, well, the debate can never die. I have been a proponent of Joba being in the rotation, but I do believe that he has to begin to show an ability to be more than just an average-at-best starter. Hughes has a highes inning's limit than Joba, meaning that, with his current stint in the rotation, he probably would be able to pitch the remainder of the season in the rotation without going over the limit, while Joba is on pace to hit that limit well before the season ends. It could also help Joba regain some of his swagger.
I don't think this is going to happen, but it could if Joba didn't begin to progress and the Yankees could pull off a deal for a good arm to put in the rotation.
Who knows, maybe the Yankees give Wang an MRI, everything looks good, and the righty is back on the hill in 5 days. Or maybe Wang is about to take a long, extended turn on the DL (remember, he has had shoulder surgery and missed almost the entire second half of the season in 05 with shoulder problems).
So, let's play doctor for a second and say Wang has seen his last turn in the rotation for a long, long time. What do the Yankees do?
Option 1: Move Phil Hughes back into the rotation.
This would seem to be the most likely and logical choice. Hughes had pitched okay before being removed from the rotation in the beginning of June. He had pitched a gem against Texas, going 8 innings of shutout baseball, and had gone 5 innings, giving up 4 runs and striking out 6 against the Indians on May 31, his last start. Not nearly as impressive as he has been since going to the pen, but serviceable none the less, and his start against Texas showed the flash of brilliance the Yankees have been looking for.
Of all possible internal options the Yankees have, moving Hughes back to the rotation would seem to have the most upside and possibilty for big gains.
The downside?
For one, Hughes has been utterly dominate since moving to the pen, and he is as big a reason why that part of the team has gone from a minus to a plus. Hughes, Coke, Bruney (when healthy), Aceves, and even the talented yet still learning Dave Robertson, really give the Yanks a lot of different looks and a lot of quality to play with. If you remove Hughes, it creates a void that isn't easily solveable.
The second thing is that Hughes would join Joba in the rotation, creating a scenario where the Yankees would have two young, inexperienced hurlers on pitch and innings limits going every five days. That could ultimately put a lot of strain on your bullpen and a lot of pressure on your top three pitchers to ALWAYS give quality and length. Will Hughes be able to translate his stuff and confidence from the pen to the rotation? If so, it's a no brainer. If not, it creates problems all over the Yankee pitching landscape.
Option 2: Keep Hughes in the pen and move Aceves to the rotation.
Alfredo Aceves has been a starter his entire professional career. In the few spot starts he made last year he looked pretty good. There is no reason to believe he would not be a competent starter for the Yanks.
Here are the drawback: like Hughes, it moving Aceves would hurt the pen. Granted, Aceves has been pushed back a bit since Hughes' arrival, but he is still very valuable and very much trusted out there by Girardi. Also, Aceves has never pitched consistently as a starter at the major league level. You have no idea what you would get from him every fifth day. Finally, as nice a pitcher as Aceves is, he does not give the Yankees the type of upside that Hughes does. His stuff just isn't electric enough.
Option 3: Leave Hughes in pen and trade for another starter.
You could do this. The Yankees have some trade chips to put out there for possible consumption. They have some nice young arms. The Yankees could try to pull off a deal for a mid-level pitcher. Maybe you're not getting Cliff Lee or Roy Oswalt, but maybe you can swing a deal for a Jonathan Sanchez? Not that I would be in favor of Sanchez (a 5 ERA in the NL West doesn't bode well for the AL East) but that is an option at this point for the team.
Problem with that? It costs money and talent for someone that might not make the difference between winning and losing. Want to take on Barry Zito's contract and his 5 ERA? Want to try and put together a trade for Jake Peavy and give up the king's ransom it would take to get him?
Maybe this makes sense if you can pry a Zach Duke away from the Pirates for prospects, but other than that it seems like a last resort for the Yanks.
Option 4: Trade for a pitcher, move Hughes back to the rotation, move Joba to the pen.
I figured I would throw this out there because, well, the debate can never die. I have been a proponent of Joba being in the rotation, but I do believe that he has to begin to show an ability to be more than just an average-at-best starter. Hughes has a highes inning's limit than Joba, meaning that, with his current stint in the rotation, he probably would be able to pitch the remainder of the season in the rotation without going over the limit, while Joba is on pace to hit that limit well before the season ends. It could also help Joba regain some of his swagger.
I don't think this is going to happen, but it could if Joba didn't begin to progress and the Yankees could pull off a deal for a good arm to put in the rotation.
Happy Fourth of July from The Free Seats
It has been a while since I have had a chance to sit down and post. I'm sure the 1.5 people who actually view this site on a semi-regular basis has been lost without regular updates. Well, June was dedicated to work, work, and more work (and in today's day and age, I aint complainin) but now July seems to have settled down a bit, hopefully meaning more regular contributions.
But enought about that................there is a LOT to talk about in Yankee land and around the world of sports, and in honor of America's 233rd birthday, we'll start with what I believe the Yankees, their coaching staff, and their players, should declare.
Joe Girardi should declare not to bat Robinson Cano fifth, continue to hang Chien Mien Wang out to dry, and continuously make stupid comments that are then not backed up:
I am not a big, big, big fan of Girardi. In fact, I'm not a fan at all. As a person, he seems top quality. As a manager, he seems overmatched in New York. Let's not forget that Joe Girardi came to the Yankees after only ONE year of managerial experience with the Florida Marlins. Assuming Girardi could manage in New York because he did it in Florida is sort of like assuming that I could lead a battalion of men into battle because I'm the captain of my church softball team. They are two different animals.
Of late, the above "issues" have really been bugging me when it comes to GI Joe. First, continuing to bat Cano in the five hole. I get that Cano is a terrific hitter, but being a terrific hitter with no one on base, and being a terrific hitter when you're expected to produce runs are two different things (go look at A-Rod's numbers in close and late situations over his career with the Yanks). Cano's numbers with runners in scoring position are putrid. They are actually embarrassing. He is batting over .300, and batting barely .200 with men on base. He goes up hacking at anything like he has tickets to Cirque Du Solei, essentially looking to hit anything that even remotely approaches the plate, meaning that in the tenses portion of the game for the pitcher, Cano does not demand that they make quality pitches to get him out. How many rallies has he killed? How many moments to break a game open have been wasted? Just look at yesterday: bases loaded, one out, Cano up, chance to completely blow the game open, and Cano grounds to second with the infield in, resulting in an out at the plate, no run scored, second out recorded, and new life provided to pitcher. Just horrid.
Now, the Yankees don't have a great option in the five hole if not Cano. Nick Swisher? Hideki Matsui? Neither one of them is a true candidate. But Posada is a much better option in that spot when he's in the game, and the fact that Girardi refuses to recognize Cano's run-producing problems speaks to his lack of feel for the game.
The Wang thing is even more puzzling to me. The Wanger is a two-time 19 game winner, was on pace for the same record last year before being injured, and yet he continues to get less than a slap on the back from his manager now that he is seemingly healthy and ready to pitch. Why? What are the better options? Who has the resume to demand such respect other than Wanger?
Phil Hughes has established himself as a terrific member of the Yankee bullpen and looks like a different pitcher. Girardi himself has all but annointed Hughes as a major, late-inning component to the team. What is the plan if he wants to take Wang out of the rotation? Move Wang and his sinkerball into the pen? Move Hughes back into the rotation where, by all intents and purposes, he wasn't much better than the current version of Wang and has never proven he can be a big-time winner in this league? And, with trade rumors circulating out there that the Yankees might even be interested in moving Wang, how does insinuating that he might not make his next start, or hasn't earned the right to keep his place in the rotation, increase his possible value? Doesn't that only diminish his value?
This team is considerably better with Wang out there, pitching well, and his resume has at least earned him the right to retain his spot in the rotation at this point and the fact that Girardi continue to treat him differently than any other starter makes no sense. If Joba Chamberlain is going to get a permanent spot in this rotation, so should Chien Mien Wang, and Girardi should be able to offer him that type of assurance.
Then, you have the Girardi double-talk problem. One day, Girardi has no roles in the pen other than Mariano Rivera. Then, he annoints Brian Bruney as the "eighth inning guy" and pulls Phil Hughes out of a game after Hughes had pitched lights out the inning before - a move that almost cost the team the game.
After the game, Girardi angrily insisted that Bruney would be his "eighth inning guy," and yet, only a day later, in a tight game in the eighth inning, it was Phil Hughes and Phil Coke out there trying to nail it down.
That is just one example of the man's constant ping-pong match with honesty and consistency. A-Rod is going to get a few days off a week, Girardi stated, before the man came off the disabled list. Then, when A-Rod did come back, he played in 45 straight games and had to enlist the help of his general manager to ensure a day off. Since those two days off? No rest for the weary.
Brett Gardner, earlier in the year, was the Yankee center fielder and Girardi told the world that wasn't going to change, even if he went into a slump. So, Gardner slumped early in the year and, guess what, Melky Cabrera was suddenly the every-day center fielder.
If you don't plan in sticking to your guns, don't say anything, Joe. It just makes it that much more unbearable to listen to you speak as you try and explain why you weren't flip-flopping on an issue. And, with that type of back and forth, how could any player truly believe what the manager has to say? I wouldn't.
Joba Chamberlain should declare to finally begin to pitch more aggressively to retain his position in the rotation.
Trust me, Pete Abraham, I am not jumping off the "Joba in the rotation" bandwagon in any way, but there is no denying that watching Joba pitch a ballgame has literally become excruciating. Runners are all over the place, he walks the ballpark, he never attacks with the type of stuff we saw previously, every count is 3-2, and by the 5th inning, Joba has 100 pitches. No, he never gets lit up, which speaks to his stuff, but I have always believed that Joba should be in the rotation because he can be special in that role, not competent. Joba, right now, looks like, at best, a third or fourth starter in the league. If that's the case, then moving him back to the pen, where he can be an A++ closer (potentially) makes a lot more sense. If he can find himself in the rotation and move towards being at least an AJ Burnett-esque type of pitcher, than his place in the rotation should be cemented.
But someone needs to put some expectations on the young man. Going out there and giving five innings, three runs, four walks, five strikeouts, and 100 pitches or more is just not cutting it. Yes, you can deal with that start as long as you continue to see progress. There hasn't been any progress in a while.
I want Joba to be the Yankee's future Josh Beckett, but I also want someone to express to Joba that, eventually, he has to SHOW that ability on the mound with more consistency. Stop shaking catchers off. Stop nibbling on the edges against 9th place hitters or guys batting .220. Attack. That's what earned Joba a spot on this team in the first place.
Brian Cashman should declare to begin to really stock the Yankee system with position players, not just pitchers.
Okay, I'll admit, the Yankee future in terms of position players seems much brighter now adays. Francisco Cervelli has been so impressive since being called to the majors that many, including myself, believe that he could be a viable, everyday option behind the plate once Posada is forced to take over everyday duties as the DH. Brett Gardner has played well of late and, if he could hit .280 as a regular, would be unbelievably valuable to this team going forward. Cano, despite his RISP numbers, has re-emerged as a TOP young player in this league, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain have a tremendous amount of talent, and the Yankees two best prospects in the minors (Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero) are tearing up AAA and AA respectively. The Yankees also seem to be the front runners to land the Cuban defector Adiros Chapman, a young lefty who has been clocked at 100 MPH. But if Jackson and/or Montero don't pan out, and Gardner and Cervelli aren't able to hit enough to retain everyday jobs, there isn't much else coming in the pipeline to give the Yankees hope. There is no heir apparent to Derek Jeter at shortstop in the minors and, besides Jackson, no outfield help on the way. And while a stock pile of young pitching may help the Yankees secure trades for future needs, Cashman has seemed reluctant to part with ANY of his prospects even for proven major leaguers (lost in the Johan Santana discussions is the fact that the A's asked for Ian Kennedy in exchange for Dan Haren and were told no - a move that is probably more inexcuseable than not trading for Santana at a high price) and many of the pitching prospects have had serious arm issues that have either stunted or completely derailed their growth (see Andrew Brackman, Kennedy, and Humberto Sanchez).
The Yankees are old at certain positions and need prospects. They have pitchers, now they need some future stars to score those pitchers some runs.
Some other Fourth of July notes:
*I get people are tired of the steroid discussion. I am too. But that doesn't explain the "open arms" treatment Manny Ramirez has received, especially from Dodger fans, upon returning to baseball this weekend. The guy was suspended for 50 games because he cheated, and if he cheated this year why wouldn't he have cheated in previously years - years where he built his Hall of Fame resume?
Maybe we are past demonizing these guys for their actions, but we shouldn't be to the point where we cheer them for having cheated the game.
*Is Jorge Posada a future Hall of Famer? How come we never really ask that question? Name three better catchers than Posada during his career? Mike Piazza was perhaps the best hitter at the position ever, but Posada was, and is, more durable and a better defensive catcher. Ivan Rodriguez is argueably the best, but we also noticed how quickly Pudge went from being a middle-of-the-order force to a skinny, has-been player once more steroid testing was inacted. After that, who would even enter the discussion? I would argue no one. Posada's offensive numbers have been terrific, he has caught game-winners in the World Series, has caught a perfect game, and made big plays in big games. I don't know if he will make it, but Posada's career is often overlooked.
*If you're the Knicks, wouldn't it behoove you to, at some point, try and put together a team that would attract LeBron James rather than simply dump salary in a quest to clear enough cap space to offer the world to King James? I get that money talks and everything else takes a hike, and the Knicks might simply believe that offering a fortune, along with the trappings of New York, will be enough, but the Cavs just brought in Shaq and, I'm sure, have a few other tricks up their sleeve to try and convince James to stay. And, oh, by the way, he's gonna get a lot of money from Cleveland as well.
It just doesn't seem like the Knicks would be all that attractive to LeBron, does it? Heck, I think the Nets might be offering more of a future at this point.
*Staying with the NBA, all of the focus will be on James next year, but if he can stay healthy, someone is gonna land Dwayne Wade and get a SUPERIOR player. I mean, world class player. If the Knicks or Nets lost out on James and brought in Wade, it might end up being a push. He's that good when he's healthy. The problem? Wade has shown a disturbing tendency for getting injured over the last few years, and he plays with such abandon that trend might not change. For his sake, and for the NBA's sake, you hope he figures out how to keep his body healthy.
Finally, I do want to say Happy Fourth Of July to everyone. I love this holiday. Not because of the barbecues or the fireworks, which are nice in and of themselves, but because I love the history and the meaning of this date. The founding of this nation remains a magical period in human history and I believe completely in the ideals represented in the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
If you get a chance to learn more about the men who made this dream of America a reality, I would highly suggest you do so. They were, all of them, complex and filled with contradictions (and extreme character flaws) however, they were also brilliant and spoke of this nation in ways we rarely hear any more. So, watch the fireworks, listen to the music, but also think about the meaning and purpose behind it all. And have a very safe and wonderful holiday.
But enought about that................there is a LOT to talk about in Yankee land and around the world of sports, and in honor of America's 233rd birthday, we'll start with what I believe the Yankees, their coaching staff, and their players, should declare.
Joe Girardi should declare not to bat Robinson Cano fifth, continue to hang Chien Mien Wang out to dry, and continuously make stupid comments that are then not backed up:
I am not a big, big, big fan of Girardi. In fact, I'm not a fan at all. As a person, he seems top quality. As a manager, he seems overmatched in New York. Let's not forget that Joe Girardi came to the Yankees after only ONE year of managerial experience with the Florida Marlins. Assuming Girardi could manage in New York because he did it in Florida is sort of like assuming that I could lead a battalion of men into battle because I'm the captain of my church softball team. They are two different animals.
Of late, the above "issues" have really been bugging me when it comes to GI Joe. First, continuing to bat Cano in the five hole. I get that Cano is a terrific hitter, but being a terrific hitter with no one on base, and being a terrific hitter when you're expected to produce runs are two different things (go look at A-Rod's numbers in close and late situations over his career with the Yanks). Cano's numbers with runners in scoring position are putrid. They are actually embarrassing. He is batting over .300, and batting barely .200 with men on base. He goes up hacking at anything like he has tickets to Cirque Du Solei, essentially looking to hit anything that even remotely approaches the plate, meaning that in the tenses portion of the game for the pitcher, Cano does not demand that they make quality pitches to get him out. How many rallies has he killed? How many moments to break a game open have been wasted? Just look at yesterday: bases loaded, one out, Cano up, chance to completely blow the game open, and Cano grounds to second with the infield in, resulting in an out at the plate, no run scored, second out recorded, and new life provided to pitcher. Just horrid.
Now, the Yankees don't have a great option in the five hole if not Cano. Nick Swisher? Hideki Matsui? Neither one of them is a true candidate. But Posada is a much better option in that spot when he's in the game, and the fact that Girardi refuses to recognize Cano's run-producing problems speaks to his lack of feel for the game.
The Wang thing is even more puzzling to me. The Wanger is a two-time 19 game winner, was on pace for the same record last year before being injured, and yet he continues to get less than a slap on the back from his manager now that he is seemingly healthy and ready to pitch. Why? What are the better options? Who has the resume to demand such respect other than Wanger?
Phil Hughes has established himself as a terrific member of the Yankee bullpen and looks like a different pitcher. Girardi himself has all but annointed Hughes as a major, late-inning component to the team. What is the plan if he wants to take Wang out of the rotation? Move Wang and his sinkerball into the pen? Move Hughes back into the rotation where, by all intents and purposes, he wasn't much better than the current version of Wang and has never proven he can be a big-time winner in this league? And, with trade rumors circulating out there that the Yankees might even be interested in moving Wang, how does insinuating that he might not make his next start, or hasn't earned the right to keep his place in the rotation, increase his possible value? Doesn't that only diminish his value?
This team is considerably better with Wang out there, pitching well, and his resume has at least earned him the right to retain his spot in the rotation at this point and the fact that Girardi continue to treat him differently than any other starter makes no sense. If Joba Chamberlain is going to get a permanent spot in this rotation, so should Chien Mien Wang, and Girardi should be able to offer him that type of assurance.
Then, you have the Girardi double-talk problem. One day, Girardi has no roles in the pen other than Mariano Rivera. Then, he annoints Brian Bruney as the "eighth inning guy" and pulls Phil Hughes out of a game after Hughes had pitched lights out the inning before - a move that almost cost the team the game.
After the game, Girardi angrily insisted that Bruney would be his "eighth inning guy," and yet, only a day later, in a tight game in the eighth inning, it was Phil Hughes and Phil Coke out there trying to nail it down.
That is just one example of the man's constant ping-pong match with honesty and consistency. A-Rod is going to get a few days off a week, Girardi stated, before the man came off the disabled list. Then, when A-Rod did come back, he played in 45 straight games and had to enlist the help of his general manager to ensure a day off. Since those two days off? No rest for the weary.
Brett Gardner, earlier in the year, was the Yankee center fielder and Girardi told the world that wasn't going to change, even if he went into a slump. So, Gardner slumped early in the year and, guess what, Melky Cabrera was suddenly the every-day center fielder.
If you don't plan in sticking to your guns, don't say anything, Joe. It just makes it that much more unbearable to listen to you speak as you try and explain why you weren't flip-flopping on an issue. And, with that type of back and forth, how could any player truly believe what the manager has to say? I wouldn't.
Joba Chamberlain should declare to finally begin to pitch more aggressively to retain his position in the rotation.
Trust me, Pete Abraham, I am not jumping off the "Joba in the rotation" bandwagon in any way, but there is no denying that watching Joba pitch a ballgame has literally become excruciating. Runners are all over the place, he walks the ballpark, he never attacks with the type of stuff we saw previously, every count is 3-2, and by the 5th inning, Joba has 100 pitches. No, he never gets lit up, which speaks to his stuff, but I have always believed that Joba should be in the rotation because he can be special in that role, not competent. Joba, right now, looks like, at best, a third or fourth starter in the league. If that's the case, then moving him back to the pen, where he can be an A++ closer (potentially) makes a lot more sense. If he can find himself in the rotation and move towards being at least an AJ Burnett-esque type of pitcher, than his place in the rotation should be cemented.
But someone needs to put some expectations on the young man. Going out there and giving five innings, three runs, four walks, five strikeouts, and 100 pitches or more is just not cutting it. Yes, you can deal with that start as long as you continue to see progress. There hasn't been any progress in a while.
I want Joba to be the Yankee's future Josh Beckett, but I also want someone to express to Joba that, eventually, he has to SHOW that ability on the mound with more consistency. Stop shaking catchers off. Stop nibbling on the edges against 9th place hitters or guys batting .220. Attack. That's what earned Joba a spot on this team in the first place.
Brian Cashman should declare to begin to really stock the Yankee system with position players, not just pitchers.
Okay, I'll admit, the Yankee future in terms of position players seems much brighter now adays. Francisco Cervelli has been so impressive since being called to the majors that many, including myself, believe that he could be a viable, everyday option behind the plate once Posada is forced to take over everyday duties as the DH. Brett Gardner has played well of late and, if he could hit .280 as a regular, would be unbelievably valuable to this team going forward. Cano, despite his RISP numbers, has re-emerged as a TOP young player in this league, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain have a tremendous amount of talent, and the Yankees two best prospects in the minors (Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero) are tearing up AAA and AA respectively. The Yankees also seem to be the front runners to land the Cuban defector Adiros Chapman, a young lefty who has been clocked at 100 MPH. But if Jackson and/or Montero don't pan out, and Gardner and Cervelli aren't able to hit enough to retain everyday jobs, there isn't much else coming in the pipeline to give the Yankees hope. There is no heir apparent to Derek Jeter at shortstop in the minors and, besides Jackson, no outfield help on the way. And while a stock pile of young pitching may help the Yankees secure trades for future needs, Cashman has seemed reluctant to part with ANY of his prospects even for proven major leaguers (lost in the Johan Santana discussions is the fact that the A's asked for Ian Kennedy in exchange for Dan Haren and were told no - a move that is probably more inexcuseable than not trading for Santana at a high price) and many of the pitching prospects have had serious arm issues that have either stunted or completely derailed their growth (see Andrew Brackman, Kennedy, and Humberto Sanchez).
The Yankees are old at certain positions and need prospects. They have pitchers, now they need some future stars to score those pitchers some runs.
Some other Fourth of July notes:
*I get people are tired of the steroid discussion. I am too. But that doesn't explain the "open arms" treatment Manny Ramirez has received, especially from Dodger fans, upon returning to baseball this weekend. The guy was suspended for 50 games because he cheated, and if he cheated this year why wouldn't he have cheated in previously years - years where he built his Hall of Fame resume?
Maybe we are past demonizing these guys for their actions, but we shouldn't be to the point where we cheer them for having cheated the game.
*Is Jorge Posada a future Hall of Famer? How come we never really ask that question? Name three better catchers than Posada during his career? Mike Piazza was perhaps the best hitter at the position ever, but Posada was, and is, more durable and a better defensive catcher. Ivan Rodriguez is argueably the best, but we also noticed how quickly Pudge went from being a middle-of-the-order force to a skinny, has-been player once more steroid testing was inacted. After that, who would even enter the discussion? I would argue no one. Posada's offensive numbers have been terrific, he has caught game-winners in the World Series, has caught a perfect game, and made big plays in big games. I don't know if he will make it, but Posada's career is often overlooked.
*If you're the Knicks, wouldn't it behoove you to, at some point, try and put together a team that would attract LeBron James rather than simply dump salary in a quest to clear enough cap space to offer the world to King James? I get that money talks and everything else takes a hike, and the Knicks might simply believe that offering a fortune, along with the trappings of New York, will be enough, but the Cavs just brought in Shaq and, I'm sure, have a few other tricks up their sleeve to try and convince James to stay. And, oh, by the way, he's gonna get a lot of money from Cleveland as well.
It just doesn't seem like the Knicks would be all that attractive to LeBron, does it? Heck, I think the Nets might be offering more of a future at this point.
*Staying with the NBA, all of the focus will be on James next year, but if he can stay healthy, someone is gonna land Dwayne Wade and get a SUPERIOR player. I mean, world class player. If the Knicks or Nets lost out on James and brought in Wade, it might end up being a push. He's that good when he's healthy. The problem? Wade has shown a disturbing tendency for getting injured over the last few years, and he plays with such abandon that trend might not change. For his sake, and for the NBA's sake, you hope he figures out how to keep his body healthy.
Finally, I do want to say Happy Fourth Of July to everyone. I love this holiday. Not because of the barbecues or the fireworks, which are nice in and of themselves, but because I love the history and the meaning of this date. The founding of this nation remains a magical period in human history and I believe completely in the ideals represented in the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
If you get a chance to learn more about the men who made this dream of America a reality, I would highly suggest you do so. They were, all of them, complex and filled with contradictions (and extreme character flaws) however, they were also brilliant and spoke of this nation in ways we rarely hear any more. So, watch the fireworks, listen to the music, but also think about the meaning and purpose behind it all. And have a very safe and wonderful holiday.
Sunday, May 31
The Joba arguement. Let's get this outta the way here...........
Let's get this out of the way: I believe, and still believe, that Joba Chamberlain should remain in the starting rotation. I have written about it a few times on this mighty blog and I ultimately believe it to be the best option. But, instead of arguing one way or the other, I have decided to give my best impersonation of Cybil (multi-personality) and argue BOTH sides of this debate with passion. The "Joba should stay in the rotation" side will be argued by me, John Rook, genius of the sporting world, while the "Joba should be in the pen" side will be argued by a new addition to this blog, who will be called Fike Mancesa, a 350 pound, bespectacled blowhard who, from time to time, can make a good point or two.
So, without further adieu, let's get down to the debate:
John Rook: "First, let me just say what a thrill and honor it is to be invited to participate in this debate on the best sports blog in America. Some will say that I was only invited because I run the blog, but I still consider it an honor.
So, the reason I am here is to debate, once again, the Joba Chamberlain question. I can't get enough of this arguement. I mean, how much fun is it to debate the same topic, with no new insight, no new evidence, no new information, and no new interest, over and over again? This debate is proof positive that the best things in life stem from talk radio, where dead issues are resurected like Jason Vorhees in another Friday the 13th movie.
Why should Joba remain in the rotation? For all the reasons that have already been mentioned one trillion, eight hundred million times before. Instead of getting indepth, let me simply list them for you: Joba has four major league quality pitches, with a fastball and slider that, on most nights, are A++ pitches, a very good curveball, and a changeup that is quickly getting to be a major weapon; he is 23-years old, has made only 22 starts in his career, and has an ERA in that time under 4 and a strikeout to inning's pitched ratio that is terrific; for the majority of this season, Joba has been the second best pitcher on the team, with his last start (4 innings, 4 runs) being the only time he hasn't given the Yankees a legitimate chance to win; starting pitching is the most important asset to any major league team and your best pitchers should be used where they can make the most impact (please, Fike, don't bring up Mariano. Mo is the BEST releiver in the history of the game, but he is FAR from being one of the best pitchers on the team. Mo could NEVER start, nor could he go through a lineup two or three times with only one pitch. He is a great RELIEVER, but it is the only role he could have on a team); you can always move Joba to the pen a year or two down the road without repercussions but moving him from the pen to the rotation would be virtually impossible if you essentially "skipped" this year as a starter; bridging the gap between the starter and Mo is not the impossible task some have made it out to be, illustrated by the fact that the likes of Brian Bruney and, more recently, Alfredo Aceves, have done the job quite admirably (and no offense to either one of those pitchers, both of whom are very good, but neither have electric stuff or special talent. You can find those types of pitchers around baseball. You can't find Joba's around at all); and, finally, you don't steal from one part of your team - the most important part of your team - because you either can't handle the pen effectively or can't handle the pen properly. Brian Cashman, with his rebuilt farm system and almost infinite cash revenues, should be able to build a pen that is productive without putting Joba in.
I have said this before and I will say it again, you have more of an arguement turning Phil Hughes into your eighth inning, future closer guy than Joba. Hughes has only two major-league ready pitches while Joba has four. Hughes has been much more injury prone in his young career than Joba. Hughes seems to lose something as the game goes on while Joba's problems have been early in games (forget what he did in 07. That was two years ago now. Joba would not be a candidate for late-inning work because his biggest struggles come early in games. To assume that somehow he will simply channel 2007 and become that short-inning dominant force is naive at best). And, flat out, Joba's stuff is flat out better. He has the chance to be a superstar starter, something Hughes has shown only flashes of being as a major leaguer.
Finally, I don't think that there is much of a discussion to be had in regards to where Joba helps the team best. Only baseball ignorant people honestly believe that relievers are more important than starters. But this "debate" has become so patently unfair to Joba it is hard to imagine. It has almost taken on the feel of a political debate, where being winning the arguement ends up being more important than being right. Those wh advocate Joba going back to the pen have all but ignored his good starts and his obvious improvements in order to create this narrative where the Joba "experiment" as a starter is breaking down all around the team. Little real coversation was had before Joba's last start because, aside from his first inning troubles, he had pitched well (and at times brilliantly) as a starter. The "back to the pen" crowd treated that as if it really wasn't happening, then waited for a bad outing and pounced.
So, Joba is expected to be good EVERY time, in every circumstance, or his time as a starter will be useless and unproductive for the team? Who is held to that kind of standard?
Certainly not Phil Hughes, who has been allowed to fail time after time, but once he pitches two games that are pretty good, he is annointed as being solid enough to solidify the rotation and move Joba to the pen? Hughes still has far more bad games to his name than good ones, and assuming that he would be as valuable in the rotation as Joba just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As I am writing this, Hughes, in the fifth inning, has given up 3 runs, thrown close to 90 pitches, and has runners on first and third with no one out. If this were Joba, it wouldn't be treated as "taking his lumps" but rather as evidence that he can't be a starter.
Jba Chamberlain has the stuff and the makeup to be a dominate starter in this league. Moving him to the pen would be an absolute waste.
Fight me off, Fike. Do your best."
Fike Mancesa: "Alright, let's just say I am not happy at all right now because, when I walked in for this debate, someone had gotten me a diet Coke instead of a diet Pepsi. Not happy, my friends, not happy at all.
Joba should be in the pen, case closed. It's the only way the Yankees will win this year, no question. I don't know why I have to debate this. I told everyne how things should be and my word should be law. I saw Mickey Mantle play baseball, for God sakes. Joe Torre sends me tea every week, in cases. I don't even HAVE to pay for the good seats at Yankees Stadium, they give them to me because I am such a genius (even though, trust me, if I had to pay for them, I could afford it. I like people to know I am super rich).
Considering I haven't made a decent point as to why Joba should go back to the pen as of yet (mostly, I've embarrased myself by saying that the Yankees can't "wait" to develop a pitcher or that the eighth inning is more important than being a starter) let me bring up the only real arguement that holds any water: Mariano Rivera is a human being. That is a hard truth to come to grips with, but it's true. Mo will, eventually, not be able to pitch at the highest possible level. It is also possible that Rivera, a family man who has other interests outside of baseball, might very well decide to step away from the game, even while he is on top. Either way, the Mariano Rivera era is coming to a close sooner rather than later.
Put the blame anywhere you would like, but the Yankees do NOT have an heir apparent ready to go. Mark Melancon has the stuff, but he continues to wait for his chance in the minors, having gotten a shot in late April, early May with shaky results at best. It would be hard to imagine Brian Bruney as a top-notch closer, Phil Coke gives up too many homers at this point, and the trade/free agent closer market never seems to deliver good results for team.
Joba's 2007 season in the pen would make you think he could easily take over the roll of closer when Rivera decides to call it a career. His high-90's fastball, coupled with his devastating slider, could make him one of the more unhittable closers in the game. It would give the Yankees their end-of-the-game guy for years to come - their answer to Jonathan Paplebon.
If Phil Hughes can continue to improve, and Chien Mien Wang can come back and return to form, the Yankees would have (going forward) a solid rotation of Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, and Hughes, with Joba in the pen. Then, you could either go get a veteran pitcher to fill the gap in the rotation, or hope that one of your other young guns (a healthy Kennedy or Andrew Brackman) could take the reins.
Joba to the pen isn't about the eighth inning this year as it is about the ninth inning the next 10 years. The young man has the stuff and, most importantly, the make up, to be the closer of the future for the Yankees. For now, he can be an impressive 1-2 punch with Mo, lenghtening the bullpen and making that part of the team a strength. In the long run, he can move into the role and be dominate.
Joba needs to move to the pen now. Case closed."
Thanks to both our guests for coming out to participate in this debate tonight. For my money, I side with John Rook (shocker there) and HOPE the Yankees stay smart and keep Joba in the rotation. If the Yankees are so concerned about the closer spot AFTER Rivera retires, move Hughes into that role right now and have him be the eighth inning guy, eventually taking over as your closer. Hughes can still be a good pitcher in the rotation, but Joba can simply be special, and I would always rather have an ace than a top closer, even Mo. The Yankees have had Mo for the last 8 years and they haven't won a thing. That's because their starting pitching has simply been mediocre to terrible. A closer is NEVER as valuable if the rotation isn't top notch.
So, without further adieu, let's get down to the debate:
John Rook: "First, let me just say what a thrill and honor it is to be invited to participate in this debate on the best sports blog in America. Some will say that I was only invited because I run the blog, but I still consider it an honor.
So, the reason I am here is to debate, once again, the Joba Chamberlain question. I can't get enough of this arguement. I mean, how much fun is it to debate the same topic, with no new insight, no new evidence, no new information, and no new interest, over and over again? This debate is proof positive that the best things in life stem from talk radio, where dead issues are resurected like Jason Vorhees in another Friday the 13th movie.
Why should Joba remain in the rotation? For all the reasons that have already been mentioned one trillion, eight hundred million times before. Instead of getting indepth, let me simply list them for you: Joba has four major league quality pitches, with a fastball and slider that, on most nights, are A++ pitches, a very good curveball, and a changeup that is quickly getting to be a major weapon; he is 23-years old, has made only 22 starts in his career, and has an ERA in that time under 4 and a strikeout to inning's pitched ratio that is terrific; for the majority of this season, Joba has been the second best pitcher on the team, with his last start (4 innings, 4 runs) being the only time he hasn't given the Yankees a legitimate chance to win; starting pitching is the most important asset to any major league team and your best pitchers should be used where they can make the most impact (please, Fike, don't bring up Mariano. Mo is the BEST releiver in the history of the game, but he is FAR from being one of the best pitchers on the team. Mo could NEVER start, nor could he go through a lineup two or three times with only one pitch. He is a great RELIEVER, but it is the only role he could have on a team); you can always move Joba to the pen a year or two down the road without repercussions but moving him from the pen to the rotation would be virtually impossible if you essentially "skipped" this year as a starter; bridging the gap between the starter and Mo is not the impossible task some have made it out to be, illustrated by the fact that the likes of Brian Bruney and, more recently, Alfredo Aceves, have done the job quite admirably (and no offense to either one of those pitchers, both of whom are very good, but neither have electric stuff or special talent. You can find those types of pitchers around baseball. You can't find Joba's around at all); and, finally, you don't steal from one part of your team - the most important part of your team - because you either can't handle the pen effectively or can't handle the pen properly. Brian Cashman, with his rebuilt farm system and almost infinite cash revenues, should be able to build a pen that is productive without putting Joba in.
I have said this before and I will say it again, you have more of an arguement turning Phil Hughes into your eighth inning, future closer guy than Joba. Hughes has only two major-league ready pitches while Joba has four. Hughes has been much more injury prone in his young career than Joba. Hughes seems to lose something as the game goes on while Joba's problems have been early in games (forget what he did in 07. That was two years ago now. Joba would not be a candidate for late-inning work because his biggest struggles come early in games. To assume that somehow he will simply channel 2007 and become that short-inning dominant force is naive at best). And, flat out, Joba's stuff is flat out better. He has the chance to be a superstar starter, something Hughes has shown only flashes of being as a major leaguer.
Finally, I don't think that there is much of a discussion to be had in regards to where Joba helps the team best. Only baseball ignorant people honestly believe that relievers are more important than starters. But this "debate" has become so patently unfair to Joba it is hard to imagine. It has almost taken on the feel of a political debate, where being winning the arguement ends up being more important than being right. Those wh advocate Joba going back to the pen have all but ignored his good starts and his obvious improvements in order to create this narrative where the Joba "experiment" as a starter is breaking down all around the team. Little real coversation was had before Joba's last start because, aside from his first inning troubles, he had pitched well (and at times brilliantly) as a starter. The "back to the pen" crowd treated that as if it really wasn't happening, then waited for a bad outing and pounced.
So, Joba is expected to be good EVERY time, in every circumstance, or his time as a starter will be useless and unproductive for the team? Who is held to that kind of standard?
Certainly not Phil Hughes, who has been allowed to fail time after time, but once he pitches two games that are pretty good, he is annointed as being solid enough to solidify the rotation and move Joba to the pen? Hughes still has far more bad games to his name than good ones, and assuming that he would be as valuable in the rotation as Joba just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As I am writing this, Hughes, in the fifth inning, has given up 3 runs, thrown close to 90 pitches, and has runners on first and third with no one out. If this were Joba, it wouldn't be treated as "taking his lumps" but rather as evidence that he can't be a starter.
Jba Chamberlain has the stuff and the makeup to be a dominate starter in this league. Moving him to the pen would be an absolute waste.
Fight me off, Fike. Do your best."
Fike Mancesa: "Alright, let's just say I am not happy at all right now because, when I walked in for this debate, someone had gotten me a diet Coke instead of a diet Pepsi. Not happy, my friends, not happy at all.
Joba should be in the pen, case closed. It's the only way the Yankees will win this year, no question. I don't know why I have to debate this. I told everyne how things should be and my word should be law. I saw Mickey Mantle play baseball, for God sakes. Joe Torre sends me tea every week, in cases. I don't even HAVE to pay for the good seats at Yankees Stadium, they give them to me because I am such a genius (even though, trust me, if I had to pay for them, I could afford it. I like people to know I am super rich).
Considering I haven't made a decent point as to why Joba should go back to the pen as of yet (mostly, I've embarrased myself by saying that the Yankees can't "wait" to develop a pitcher or that the eighth inning is more important than being a starter) let me bring up the only real arguement that holds any water: Mariano Rivera is a human being. That is a hard truth to come to grips with, but it's true. Mo will, eventually, not be able to pitch at the highest possible level. It is also possible that Rivera, a family man who has other interests outside of baseball, might very well decide to step away from the game, even while he is on top. Either way, the Mariano Rivera era is coming to a close sooner rather than later.
Put the blame anywhere you would like, but the Yankees do NOT have an heir apparent ready to go. Mark Melancon has the stuff, but he continues to wait for his chance in the minors, having gotten a shot in late April, early May with shaky results at best. It would be hard to imagine Brian Bruney as a top-notch closer, Phil Coke gives up too many homers at this point, and the trade/free agent closer market never seems to deliver good results for team.
Joba's 2007 season in the pen would make you think he could easily take over the roll of closer when Rivera decides to call it a career. His high-90's fastball, coupled with his devastating slider, could make him one of the more unhittable closers in the game. It would give the Yankees their end-of-the-game guy for years to come - their answer to Jonathan Paplebon.
If Phil Hughes can continue to improve, and Chien Mien Wang can come back and return to form, the Yankees would have (going forward) a solid rotation of Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, and Hughes, with Joba in the pen. Then, you could either go get a veteran pitcher to fill the gap in the rotation, or hope that one of your other young guns (a healthy Kennedy or Andrew Brackman) could take the reins.
Joba to the pen isn't about the eighth inning this year as it is about the ninth inning the next 10 years. The young man has the stuff and, most importantly, the make up, to be the closer of the future for the Yankees. For now, he can be an impressive 1-2 punch with Mo, lenghtening the bullpen and making that part of the team a strength. In the long run, he can move into the role and be dominate.
Joba needs to move to the pen now. Case closed."
Thanks to both our guests for coming out to participate in this debate tonight. For my money, I side with John Rook (shocker there) and HOPE the Yankees stay smart and keep Joba in the rotation. If the Yankees are so concerned about the closer spot AFTER Rivera retires, move Hughes into that role right now and have him be the eighth inning guy, eventually taking over as your closer. Hughes can still be a good pitcher in the rotation, but Joba can simply be special, and I would always rather have an ace than a top closer, even Mo. The Yankees have had Mo for the last 8 years and they haven't won a thing. That's because their starting pitching has simply been mediocre to terrible. A closer is NEVER as valuable if the rotation isn't top notch.
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